What's Up With The Naked Dude In The Gospel Today?

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1825633' date='Apr 6 2009, 01:25 AM']Ben-Joseph most likely was his last name. Or rather, whatever the Hebrew translation of Joseph is.[/quote]
Bar-Yosef, or for the Hebrew: בר יוסף (I think I have that correct - can't remember if it's a samekh or sin for the s)

[Winchester]

It's the Biblical version of comic relief. The writer was thinking: "Man, we're about to kill God, let's toss in a streaker--every one loves that kind of thing." It's like when Moses gives the pharoh a wedgie in Exodus 3:7.

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1826122' date='Apr 6 2009, 03:55 AM']Bar-Yosef, or for the Hebrew: בר יוסף (I think I have that correct - can't remember if it's a samekh or sin for the s)[/quote]

I thought "ben" was son and "bar" was daughter. (???)

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1826142' date='Apr 6 2009, 11:47 AM']I thought "ben" was son and "bar" was daughter. (???)[/quote]
Sorry, yes "ben" is son, and "bat" is daughter. "bar" is son in Aramaic, I think (as in Simon bar Jonah or Barabbas). Thanks for catching that.

Edited April 6, 2009 by Archaeology cat

[Theologian in Training]

Scott Hahn:

"An unnamed witness that many scholars identify as Mark. If this is the case, the evangelist chose to remain anonymous in light of the episode's embarrassing details. Ultimately, how we identify the individual has little bearing on the tradition that Mark wrote the second Gospel as a summary of Peter's preaching, since he could have witnessed the arrest of Jesus without being an eyewitness to his three year ministry."

The Navarre Commentary

"Mark is the only evangelist to record the incident of the young man who escaped naked. Many commentators have taken it to be a reference to Mark himself. Whatever about that, it is an instance of a failed attempt to follow Christ--similar to Peter's denial, which will occur shortly. At the hour of his surrender, Jesus is left quite alone."

Jerome Biblical Commentary

"This enigmatic detail is found exclusively in Mk. Its purpose is elusive; but it heightens the desertion of Jesus by his own. Th young man is not identified; idle conjectures have named various candidates: John the Apostle (Ambrose, Chrysostom, Bede); James, "the brother of the Lord" (Epiphanius); John Mark (many modern commentators)

[Archaeology cat]

In my limited knowledge, I personally don't think it makes much sense to say it's John, since doesn't he follow to where the Sanhedrin is meeting? If he were the one who ran off naked, he'd have to go and find clothes and then go there, which I suppose is possible, just doesn't seem quite as likely to me. Again, though, I'm no expert and may have people mixed up.

[StColette]

Haydock Commentary gives the following explanation

Ver. 51. This probably was the owner, or the son of the owner of the garden, who hearing the tumult came to see what was the cause. It must have been a young man from the Greek word neaniskos. (Tirinus)

One of the most interesting things about the reading is the fact that there are TWO High Priests. This is never the case. I did an exegesis on this for FUS. Come to find out one had been appointed by the Roman governor, which was normally the case, but the Jews recognized another man as the High Priest.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1826134' date='Apr 6 2009, 03:49 AM']It's the Biblical version of comic relief. The writer was thinking: "Man, we're about to kill God, let's toss in a streaker--every one loves that kind of thing." It's like when Moses gives the pharoh a wedgie in Exodus 3:7.[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
i just about choked on my apple thanks to you!

[Luthien]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1826075' date='Apr 6 2009, 03:25 AM']Everyone is googling the same stuff.[/quote]



[quote name='Winchester' post='1826134' date='Apr 6 2009, 07:49 AM']It's the Biblical version of comic relief. The writer was thinking: "Man, we're about to kill God, let's toss in a streaker--every one loves that kind of thing." It's like when Moses gives the pharoh a wedgie in Exodus 3:7.[/quote]

Thats probably the funniest thing I have heard all day.

[Didacus]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1825935' date='Apr 5 2009, 11:09 PM']I KNOW!!!!

Phatmass is literally a Godsend for me. Even the coincidence that led me here was poignant in a way. It's nice, because I absolutely cannot this level of information and 'formation' anywhere in my outside life.[/quote]

I do share in these thoughts myself. The best I would likely encounter in my entourage is a don't kinow, or maybe the gay-theory, but no real reflection on the mattder.


PS:
I thought about the 'naked guy' before, but mainly in the context of its scriptoral meaning. I think ther emight be something to the analogy between Adam and Eve; that speaks to me as well.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Didacus' post='1826295' date='Apr 6 2009, 06:27 PM']I thought about the 'naked guy' before, but mainly in the context of its scriptoral meaning. I think ther emight be something to the analogy between Adam and Eve; that speaks to me as well.[/quote]
I've never thought about that before. . .

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Didacus' post='1826295' date='Apr 6 2009, 12:27 PM']PS:
I thought about the 'naked guy' before, but mainly in the context of its scriptoral meaning. I think ther emight be something to the analogy between Adam and Eve; that speaks to me as well.[/quote]

I agree. I had never thought about it in that context. It added a new dimension to the discussion, and I believe the Adam and Eve symbolization is very much on topic.

[Thomist-in-Training]

St. Thomas compiled several Doctors into a work called the "[url="http://www.catecheticsonline.com/CatenaAurea-Mark14.php"]Catena Aurea[/url]" or Golden Chain which is basically the Four Gospels with texts explaining them in between every few verses. There's some about this too, with different theories:

[quote]BEDE; In this is fulfilled the word, which the Lord had spoken, that all His disciples should be offended in Him that same night. There follows: And there followed him a certain young man, having a linen cloth cast about his naked body, that is, he had no other clothing but this linen cloth.

It goes on: And they laid hold on him, and he left the linen cloth, and fled from them naked. That is, he fled from them, whose presence and whose deeds he abhorred, not from the Lord, for whom his love remained fixed in his mind, when absent from Him in body.

PSEUDO-JEROME; [b]Just as Joseph left his mantle behind him, and fled naked from the wanton woman; so also let him, who would escape the hands of the evil ones, quit in mind all that is of the world, and fly after Jesus. [/b]

THEOPH. It appears probable that this young man was of that house, where they had eaten the Passover. But some say that this young man was [b]James[/b], the brother of our Lord, who was called Just; who after the ascension of Christ received from the Apostles the throne of the bishopric of Jerusalem.

GREG. Or, he says this of [b]John[/b], who, although he afterwards returned to the cross to hear the words of the Redeemer, at first was frightened and fled.

BEDE; For that he was a young man at that time, is evident from his long sojourn in the flesh. Perhaps he escaped from the hands of those who held him for the time, and afterwards got back his garment and returned, mingling under cover of the darkness with those who were leading Jesus, as though he was one of them, until he arrived at the door of the High Priest, to whom he was known, as he himself testifies in the Gospel. But as Peter, who washed away the sin of his denial with the tears of penitence, shows the recovery of those who fall away in time of martyrdom, so [b]the other disciples who prevented their actual seizure, teach the prudence of flight to those who feel themselves unequal to undergo tortures.[/b][/quote]

[tinytherese]

Pseudo- Jerome? I've never heard of that Church Father before.