Veils?

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1832764' date='Apr 12 2009, 12:27 PM']As puellapaschalis says, it is not a fashion statement, so I'm not sure why you would need to wear anything other than a simple chapel veil, be it white or black.[/quote]


Because some of us think the chapel veil is hideous. That's why. There is nothing about the custom that says you can't CARE about what you wear. Decorum is not in conflict with humility, which is what the head covering symbolizes. And being considerate of wearing attractive things is not "a fashion statement".

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1832795' date='Apr 12 2009, 06:02 PM']Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Those are all the styles I was talking about. I love them! I didn't know there was a site, though. This is awesome and now I have MORE ideas![/quote] I think it was Chaya on here that gave me that site. I love it! I got a scarf that's roughly the same colour brown as my hair, since I was a bit self-conscious at first, but now I wouldn't mind having some others, too. Just some simple colours. I could always go with the liturgical colours.

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1832795' date='Apr 12 2009, 06:02 PM']As for women here who might feel awkward to do this, just remember Catholic women all over the world (except in America, where we got stuck with the God-awful chapel veil) wore this to Mass! Also, as I mentioned, women of other religions as well. I sincerely don't believe more people in your parish would be criticial. Just tell them how much you love Catholic customs and you have made the decision to start reviving some of them. When people know you do something because you love it and not because you are trying to be in their face, they will respect it.

Let's revive the custom, everybody![/quote]
Sounds good to me.

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1832795' date='Apr 12 2009, 06:02 PM']And here's a photo of Chaldean Catholic women, for those who might not be comfortable with a total head wrap:

[url="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jCLJb9lPZaQ/STiDyDwZbeI/AAAAAAAABnY/YM-MBmCOMlM/s400/Jordan_Christians.jpg"]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jCLJb9lPZaQ/STiD..._Christians.jpg[/url][/quote]Very nice. Not so much an option for me, as my son would pull it off in no time (another reason I don't wear a chapel veil).

[princessgianna]

I wear the mantilla and struggle with what you are struggling all the time- but you need to decide why are you doing this? Is it out of love for Christ or love of attention. be honest and realize that Christ sees your heart while humans don't!

God Bless
Have a blessed Easter
Gianna~



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[Mr.Cat]

Girls/Women look cute in veils. When I go to the Extraordinary Form ([i]Missal of Blessed Pope John XXIII[/i]) and I see a lot of girls/women wearing veils there. I normally offer Dust’s Sister to wear one, but I don’t force the issue, though she knows if she is going with me I prefer her to wear one. But wearing a veil has little to do with being “[i]religious[/i]” or “[i]holier[/i]”.

The only opinion that ultimately matters is the opinion that you make about yourself, your dignity and reputation beyond that does not matter. For no matter who you are, what you think, or what you do; there will be people who will dislike and oppose you. It is better to have a stern stance with your self and opinions, even when maybe you know your opinions and self aren’t the best. [i]Moreover be founded upon the firm rock of the Church[/i]. Life is best lived in conflict since it challenges us and forces us to grow, but we must be prepared for that conflict from prayer and hopefully the support from some people in our life.

[b]I think you want to wear the veil[/b], and if you stopped wearing it for them, you would be allowing others to run your life. If you don’t make the decisions in your life, [u]someone else will[/u] always be willing to make the decisions for you, and the way others will run your life is not the way you will want it run. [i]There are a few exceptions to this[/i], but generally this is true.

Popularity is based on how comfortable you feel with it, people want to be around people who are ([i]or at least appear[/i]) to be comfortable with themselves and others. You don’t have to be comfortable with people mocking you for doing what you feel and believe is right; you simply have to make the appearance of it. But in the true heart of a Christian [i](which is a Catholic[/i]), they are so dead to themselves that they care not if they are praised or laughed at.

What will it gain you to stop? But what will it gain you to keep going with it?

My [b][i]personal opinions though[/i][/b], but really if I had the choice I would have you keep wearing the veil. Its so pretty and reverent, also appropriate! But if I had the choice you would be going to the Extraordinary Form ([i]Missal of Blessed Pope John XXIII[/i]) with Dust’s Sister and me.

Edited April 12, 2009 by Mr.CatholicCat

[princessgianna]

[quote name='Mr.CatholicCat' post='1832802' date='Apr 12 2009, 12:25 PM']Girls/Women look cute in veils.
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[dominicansoul]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1832796' date='Apr 12 2009, 12:10 PM']Because some of us think the chapel veil is hideous. That's why. There is nothing about the custom that says you can't CARE about what you wear. Decorum is not in conflict with humility, which is what the head covering symbolizes. And being considerate of wearing attractive things is not "a fashion statement".[/quote]
A very prominent Mother Superior at a very active, traditional, faith-filled Dominican community would agree with you 100%! She did not have us postulants wear the chapel veil, for the reason she thought the veils looked "ridiculous."



Also, she wanted us to wait...we were dying to wear the precious Dominican veil after one year of postulancy!

All opinions aside, if a person wants to wear it, wear it despite what others think! If you have a thing about covering your head and you want to show that respect to the Lord, then, it doesn't matter what others think! Continue to do it!

I used to wear one, but then I stopped, because for me, it became just an external thing...I have a lot of conversion that needs to go on in my interior before I start with my exterior...

[TotusTuusMaria]

Keep wearing it.

This is something that God has put on your heart. Don't worry about what other people say. We do it for God and no one else, so only his opinion on the matter means anything.

I can sympathize with what you are going through. I am the only girl in my parish that wears one as well. It is a privilege that you are able to cover your head. It is a beautiful Christian custom. Don't let others stop you.

[CatherineM]

Just remember that when you are the first or only to wear one, you will stand out, but more importantly, you may give courage to someone else who wants to wear one, and is afraid. Many women wear head coverings in our parish, of the toque variety though.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1832757' date='Apr 12 2009, 09:04 AM']If you want to revive a Catholic custom that has fallen into disuse, that is good. But the goal of the custom is to cover the head. It does not have to be a white chapel veil. Women all over the world cover their heads in different ways during religious services. I personally can't stand the white chapel veil and I do not, and would not ever, use it. I think covering the head during Mass is a good custom to revive (though I wouldn't be willing to argue too strongly in favor of it) but I think American Catholic women need to be more creative about how to do it.[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
i love that nowadays veils come in all shapes and sizes and colors. mine is a brown (kinda blends in with my hair) kinda cap veil.

plus scarves are cool too.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1832835' date='Apr 12 2009, 07:18 PM']Just remember that when you are the first or only to wear one, you will stand out, but more importantly, you may give courage to someone else who wants to wear one, and is afraid. Many women wear head coverings in our parish, of the toque variety though.[/quote]
I'd been toying with the idea, but it wasn't until I saw a friend wearing one that I started doing it. Not so I could be like her, but because she gave me the courage I needed to go ahead and take the plunge.

[Legend Chaser]

Thank you so much guys! ^^ I think I will keep wearing it. I forgot to mention! I didn't get so many comments at my parish, but I go to a Catholic high school (only for one more month, as I'm graduating, but then I'm going to a Catholic college across town!) where no one but my friend who I gave the veil to wears it! That's where all the comments came from. But it doesn't matter! Thanks for the advice and encouragement. I do think they are lovely when worn right, and they really are humbling, even the feel of them is.

There were a few times when I went to daily Mass on the spur of the moment, or forgot my veil, when I wore a bandana tied around my head or a non-descript hat or knit cap instead. In those cases I decided it would be better to have my head covered than not at all.

And the scarf idea was wonderful too! I never really even thought of that! I think my mom has some old ones...maybe I'll ask her if I can borrow one sometime...=)

[Deeds]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1832792' date='Apr 12 2009, 06:56 PM']A hat is not really appropriate. They are distracting and as you mentioned, they are simply no longer part of women's formal wear in America. And anyway, the covering of the head isn't supposed to be about fashion.[/quote]
Hats distracting? No more so than a scarf, unless they have flowers and fruit and all sorts stuck to them, like Brother Adam's picture. Something like [url="http://www.hatsandcaps.co.uk/Betmar-Hats-Dot-Newsboy-Cap-P106071/"]this[/url] or [url="http://www.hatsandcaps.co.uk/Betmar-Hats-Cable-Beret-P151800/"]this[/url] or [url="http://www.hatsandcaps.co.uk/Parkhurst-10.5-inch-Cotton-Beret-P151100/"]this[/url] or even [url="http://www.hatsandcaps.co.uk/Kangol-Sweetcorn-Cloche-Hat-P106827/"]this[/url] (cute in a retro way) is appropriate for Mass and in keeping with modern style. Headcovering is not for the purposes of fashion, of course, but there's no reason that a woman shouldn't take as much care over what exactly she puts on her head as what goes on her feet or the rest of her apparel. Caring about one's attire is not a sin.

[url="http://wsm1972.co.uk/stg/images/slides/int-32.jpg"]Here[/url]'s a photo of a U.K. Mass in the 60s. Note that all the women are wearing hats. It's only the [url="http://wsm1972.co.uk/stg/images/slides/ext-07.jpg"]little girls [/url]who are wearing chapel veils.

[Moosey]

[quote name='Mr.CatholicCat' post='1832802' date='Apr 12 2009, 02:25 PM']Girls/Women look cute in veils.[/quote]
Which is why I wear mine

J/k. But seriously, keep wearing the veil, girl. I was the only person in my parish to wear a veil until I started attending the Latin Mass. I did have courage to start wearing it because both my sisters decided to wear them too. It is tough to decide whether it's a good idea to wear one since it draws so much attention. I struggled with that for a long time. After a while I decided to come up with a reason why I wear it. I wear mine because I want to show as much humility as I can in the presence of the Lord. And if it pleases Him to see my head covered, I'll do that for Him. It's the least I can do. That has nothing to do with everyone else. After the second Vatican Council, veils were not forbidden, they were optional. It isn't my problem if people hate it. I don't get much negative attention anyway. I'd rather not get attention at all but I can't control that. Besides, the attention challenges my attempt to be humble.

Sorry if that's confusing. It makes sense in my mind if that helps

[Apotheoun]

The website below gives a brief pictorial history of women's veils in the Christian tradition:

[url="http://www.scrollpublishing.com/store/head-covering-history.html"][u]The Christian Woman’s Head Covering Through the Centuries[/u][/url]

[azaelia]

[quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1832796' date='Apr 12 2009, 01:10 PM']Because some of us think the chapel veil is hideous. That's why. There is nothing about the custom that says you can't CARE about what you wear. Decorum is not in conflict with humility, which is what the head covering symbolizes. And being considerate of wearing attractive things is not "a fashion statement".[/quote]

You really think they're [i]hideous[/i]? I think that's rather extreme. I've found some lovely chapel veils in my travels. My favorite one is blue netting with white embroidery that was made in the 50's, and I've gotten many compliments on it. I personally love my veils, so I think maybe you should modify your language to be less disparaging since there are some of us who think they're beautiful.