Veils?

[fides quarens intellectum]

[quote name='Legend Chaser' post='1832738' date='Apr 12 2009, 09:29 AM']So my question is, should I continue to wear it?[/quote]




[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1832765' date='Apr 12 2009, 10:28 AM']Have you seen the site [url="http://www.tznius.com/cgi-bin/tying.pl"]Tznius[/url]? That's where I get my scarf-tying instructions.[/quote]

cool site - thanks!


[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1833951' date='Apr 13 2009, 03:19 PM']The old thread linked below answers many of the questions being brought up in this thread:

[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=71958"][u]Q On Women Veiling[/u][/url][/quote]

good times...


[quote name='CatherineM' post='1834460' date='Apr 13 2009, 08:55 PM']I actually find having long hair less vain than short hair. One requires trips to the beauty shop, and the other doesn't.[/quote]

i agree - i have short hair, but i'm thinking about growing it out because of this.


[quote name='CatherineM' post='1834460' date='Apr 13 2009, 08:55 PM']Wearing one of my mantillas wouldn't work because I find them next to impossible to keep on because of my hair texture.[/quote]

you can tie the mantilla under your chin during Mass.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='fides quarens intellectum' post='1835385' date='Apr 14 2009, 03:33 PM']you can tie the mantilla under your chin during Mass. [/quote]

Might make it hard to sing doing that.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1835408' date='Apr 14 2009, 03:59 PM']Might make it hard to sing doing that.[/quote]
Got something against humming?

[CatherineM]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1835426' date='Apr 14 2009, 04:08 PM']Got something against humming?
[/quote]

When you are the cantor, they prefer you not just hum.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1835505' date='Apr 14 2009, 04:07 PM']When you are the cantor, they prefer you not just hum.[/quote]
Women in Byzantine Churches who tie their head scarf under their chins don't seem to have any difficulty singing.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Apotheoun' post='1835512' date='Apr 14 2009, 05:15 PM']Women in Byzantine Churches who tie their head scarf under their chins don't seem to have any difficulty singing.[/quote]

You're probably right. The real reason I can't tie a scarf on is I just can't stand to have anything constricting across my throat, or even touching it really. I can't even wear turtle necks, which would be nice and warm up here. Tying them around the back wouldn't freak me out.

[Dust's Sister]

[quote name='Mr.CatholicCat' post='1832802' date='Apr 12 2009, 12:25 PM']Popularity is based on how comfortable you feel with it, people want to be around people who are ([i]or at least appear[/i]) to be comfortable with themselves and others. You don’t have to be comfortable with people mocking you for doing what you feel and believe is right; you simply have to make the appearance of it. But in the true heart of a Christian [i](which is a Catholic[/i]), they are so dead to themselves that they care not if they are praised or laughed at.[/quote]

good advice!

[CoffeeCatholic]

haven't read the other replies yet:

I've worn my mantilla (chapel veil) for about 2 years now. It was tough at first, getting stares from my friends, and I did feel guilty sometimes, like I was trying to act "holier than thou", even though I wasn't. But eventually, i got used to the looks, and even the comments. When somebody asks me why I wear it, I tell them that I want to put on something when I go to church, as a symbol of my "putting on Christ", or I tell them that it helps my humility regarding my hair (which is a source of great vanity for me) depending on who asks and what I'm feeling like that day. Having a rehearsed answer, but an honest one, helps. The toughest for me is when I go to church with my in-laws, who attend a much more liberal parish than we do. My father in law does give me a few looks, but he's never said anything or asked. And when I'm back home in Virginia, and my mom offers to go to mass with me, I don't wear it. She's not Catholic, and is pretty anti-Catholic at that, and I think that might put her over the top in the uncomfortable area.

[DiscerningSoul]

I love wearing my veil.


Just remember your not wearing it for your friends, your wearing it for Jesus and Mary.

[manockster]

I think veils are traditional.

[Legend Chaser]

These things really rock if worn right. I actually found out that there's a Latin mass downtown where most of the women go veiled. Thank you so much for all your kind words...God bless all of you!

Is it true that black is traditionally for older, married women and white is for younger girls? I ended up getting a black one on accident. I realize it doesn't matter, but has anyone heard of this?

Edited April 15, 2009 by Legend Chaser

[Luthien]

[quote name='Legend Chaser' post='1835731' date='Apr 15 2009, 12:20 AM']These things really rock if worn right. I actually found out that there's a Latin mass downtown where most of the women go veiled. Thank you so much for all your kind words...God bless all of you!

Is it true that black is traditionally for older, married women and white is for younger girls? I ended up getting a black one on accident. I realize it doesn't matter, but has anyone heard of this?[/quote]


I think that these days they're interchangeable. I wear a black one, an I'm not older, but I am married.

[Legend Chaser]

I guess thinking about it, it shouldn't matter, since they come in all colors.

In reply to earlier discussion: since the point is to cover the head, I think hats are acceptable if they draw no attention. Like the knit caps were fine. The ones with the polka dots were a little much though.

I remember my elderly religion teacher telling us about how it used to be required to have her head covered in her church and she would have to put a Kleenex on her head if she had nothing else. XD

[Thomist-in-Training]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1834460' date='Apr 13 2009, 09:55 PM']Wearing one of my mantillas wouldn't work because I find them next to impossible to keep on because of my hair texture. Something I'm going to think about.[/quote]

One young woman at my chapel made one out of some stretchy light-brown fabric with bronze flowers on it--I think either in a rectangular or triangular shape--that she sewed some of that shiny three-stranded cord onto that you buy at fabric shops, and then she ties the cord under her hair (left down... it's long and kind of thick and wavy). It looks pretty and she says it's a lot easier to keep on. You could use plainer fabric of course.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1834460' date='Apr 13 2009, 08:55 PM']Wearing one of my mantillas wouldn't work because I find them next to impossible to keep on because of my hair texture. Something I'm going to think about.[/quote]
Have you tried using hairpins or clips to secure it? I have fine, straight hair and pins sometimes are useful.

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1835591' date='Apr 14 2009, 06:11 PM']You're probably right. The real reason I can't tie a scarf on is I just can't stand to have anything constricting across my throat, or even touching it really. I can't even wear turtle necks, which would be nice and warm up here. Tying them around the back wouldn't freak me out.[/quote]
I hate stuff around my neck too. I have to wear a bike helmet when I ride, so that goes under my neck, but that's about it. Tying it behind my head doesn't really work, though. It's not secure enough. You might have the same problem because of what you've said about hair texture.

[quote name='CoffeeCatholic' post='1835613' date='Apr 14 2009, 06:47 PM']And when I'm back home in Virginia, and my mom offers to go to mass with me, I don't wear it. She's not Catholic, and is pretty anti-Catholic at that, and I think that might put her over the top in the uncomfortable area.[/quote]
I know the feeling. Sometimes it's important to tailor certain aspects of the practice of our faith so it doesn't become a stumbling block to others. So long as you don't do it out of shame, it doesn't seem it would be an issue.

[quote name='DiscerningSoul' post='1835615' date='Apr 14 2009, 06:52 PM']I love wearing my veil.


Just remember your not wearing it for your friends, your wearing it for Jesus and Mary.

[/quote]
Even though it's done primarily as a means of honoring Jesus and Mary, wearing a veil is still an outward sign that has an impact on those who see it. Sometimes the impact can serve to strengthen faith, while other times it might not. It's not wrong to be sensitive to the sentiments of those close to you when making a decision to do something like this. I would guess wearing the veil can have an evangelistic effect as well as a humbling effect.