Veils?

[Moosey]

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[Paladin D]

[quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1832765' date='Apr 12 2009, 12:28 PM']Have you seen the site [url="http://www.tznius.com/cgi-bin/tying.pl"]Tznius[/url]? That's where I get my scarf-tying instructions. Though I can't do all of those because I have a long rectangular, not square, scarf. Anyway, I think covering the head at Mass is wonderful, whether with a mantilla or scarf or something else.[/quote]

Those are cool.

[puellapaschalis]

[quote name='azaelia' post='1833364' date='Apr 13 2009, 05:11 AM']You really think they're [i]hideous[/i]? I think that's rather extreme. I've found some lovely chapel veils in my travels. My favorite one is blue netting with white embroidery that was made in the 50's, and I've gotten many compliments on it. I personally love my veils, so I think maybe you should modify your language to be less disparaging since there are some of us who think they're beautiful. [/quote]

Thank you for this

[johnnydigit]

please keep wearing it! i think they're so pretty, feminine, demure, modest.. i'm reminded of God's love, modesty and purity, chastity, and especially of Our Lady when i see them. it makes me want to be more of a gentleman, more like St. Joseph. like other externals, "they don't make the person holy, but they are a sign of holiness from within."

maybe learn about them, tradition, the holiness of the Mass, modesty/purity/theology of the body/etc. to increase your confidence? maybe whenever you get those thoughts, just imagine our Blessed Mother next to you, and how she wears a veil and mantle while she crushes the head of those evil serpents trying to attack you!

[PlainCatholic]

God bless you for your call to wear a prayer covering to Mass. As others have said, do not worry about what others think. They are responsible for their own distractions and emotional burdens, not you.

Once one woman starts veiling, often others who have failed in courage before, draw courage from the example of the one who starts.

As a sacramental, it is not something that is necessarily required but it is [i]recommended as a worthy devotion.[/i]

As one who covers with a traditional prayer kapp I get questions; you will get questions as well. I simply tell them it is a private devotion and leave it at that. Most people who are simply curious do not have enough attention span for a longer answer. Those who do have a longer attention span and are seriously seeking answers to begin the covering themselves will inquire further.

Edited April 13, 2009 by PlainCatholic

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1832764' date='Apr 12 2009, 12:27 PM']As puellapaschalis says, it is not a fashion statement, so I'm not sure why you would need to wear anything other than a simple chapel veil, be it white or black. If women start wearing just any hats or such, that is exactly what it becomes and misses the whole point of humility before God.

Wearing a veil is going to royally t-off the femi-rage crowd who believe women are not only suppose to be equal to men, but the same as men as well. Just be prepared for that backlash when it comes, and know that any anger is veiled conviction - by not even having to say anything to them, you are attacking their entire false ideology.[/quote]
Women wore hats to church, never veils, and it was absolutely a fashion statement.

[Mr.Cat]

[quote][b][url="http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/head_coverings_in_church.htm"]Head Coverings in Church[/url][/b]
The 1917 Code of Canon Law. Canon 1262, stated:
[b]1[/b]. It is desirable that, consistent with ancient discipline, women be separated from men in church.
[b]2[/b]. Men, in a church or outside a church, while they are assisting at sacred rites, shall be bare-headed, unless the approved mores of the people or peculiar circumstances of things determine otherwise; [u]women, however, shall have a covered head and be modestly dressed, especially when they approach the table of the Lord.[/u][/quote]Head coverings can include veils, but it doesn’t necessarily translate to veils.[quote][b][url="http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/head_coverings_in_church.htm"]Head Coverings in Church[/url][/b]
While it is absolutely clear to me that there is no canonical or moral obligation for women to wear a head-covering in Church, women are certainly free to do so as a matter of personal devotion. [b][u]They should, however, see it as a sign of subordination to God, as that better suits the liturgical context[/u][/b]. Those who wear a covering or veil, and those who don't, should not judge the motives of the other, but leave each woman free in a matter that is clearly not of obligation.[/quote]The article helps explains how the perception of head coverings, as modesty or humility, changes culture to culture, and possibly even person to person. Head coverings or veils should [b][u]not[/u][/b] be seen as making women [i]inferior[/i] to men or [i]subordinate[/i] to men...

Men and women ought to have equal opportunity, dignity, and protection; in all that it is possible. Women are precious gifts of God to mankind, but they are people and of the same species as males; [i]with what we know today[/i], unjust subjugation, discrimination, or disparagement of women is always wrong...

This [url="http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/head_coverings_in_church.htm"]article[/url] provided by EWTN is fair to the matter of head coverings. Women are not obligated to wear head coverings and no one should “[i]force[/i]” any woman to wear one, but encouragement when welcomed is, [i]well[/i], welcome.

Edited April 13, 2009 by Mr.CatholicCat

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1832764' date='Apr 12 2009, 11:27 AM']Wearing a veil is going to royally t-off the femi-rage crowd who believe women are not only suppose to be equal to men, but the same as men as well. Just be prepared for that backlash when it comes, and know that any anger is veiled conviction - by not even having to say anything to them, you are attacking their entire false ideology.[/quote]

Maybe I am interpreting this the wrong way, but is it so wrong to believe that women and men are equal? One is not less than the other.

[Moosey]

I think he's trying to say that the former statement is true but the latter, that we are the same as men is not true.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Moosey' post='1833854' date='Apr 13 2009, 02:42 PM']I think he's trying to say that the former statement is true but the latter, that we are the same as men is not true.[/quote]
Yeah, that's how I read it....

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1833843' date='Apr 13 2009, 02:31 PM']Maybe I am interpreting this the wrong way, but is it so wrong to believe that women and men are equal? One is not less than the other.[/quote]

I think this is a misunderstanding.

He said: "who believe women are not only suppose to be equal to men, [i]but the same as men as well."
[/i]

Everyone here has recognized time and time again that women and men are equal in that they are both made in the image and likeness of God.

I believe the stress was on "but the same as men as well," which has also been recognized time and time again here is wrong as men and women are not the same nor were they created to be.

[Mr.Cat]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1833843' date='Apr 13 2009, 02:31 PM'][b][u]Maybe I am interpreting this the wrong way[/u][/b], but is it so wrong to believe that women and men are equal? One is not less than the other.[/quote][quote name='Moosey' post='1833854' date='Apr 13 2009, 02:42 PM']I think he's trying to say that the former statement is true but the latter, that we are the same as men is not true.[/quote][quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1833857' date='Apr 13 2009, 02:44 PM']Yeah, that's how I read it....[/quote][quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1833858' date='Apr 13 2009, 02:45 PM']I think this is a misunderstanding.

He said: "who believe women are not only suppose to be equal to men, [i]but the same as men as well."
[/i]

Everyone here has recognized time and time again that women and men are equal in that they are both made in the image and likeness of God.

I believe the stress was on "but the same as men as well," which has also been recognized time and time again here is wrong as men and women are not the same nor were they created to be.[/quote]I thought that is why they asked? Normally, when it becomes wrong to ask a question, something is seriously wrong.

Edited April 13, 2009 by Mr.CatholicCat

[Apotheoun]

In the Eastern Churches the veil, scarf, or other head covering, has a quasi-sacramental status.

A woman wears some form of head covering whenever she prays.

[DiscerningSoul]

I am the only one to wear one in my parish. I have explained to people around me why I wear one and I get no remarks.
Now when I goto another Mass at a different church, the little kids turn there heads and point and the teens giggle, and yeah I feel alittle funny but I love our Lord so much and honor our Holy Mother Mary, I don't care about what others think or say.

I wear it for God, Jesus and Mary, not for those around me.

it started as a Lenten promise two years ago, then intensified when I learned more about it when some of us on phatmass vocation station wore it on some Sunday's.
Sure you feel funny nervous and you feel like your heat is beating a million times faster then it should, but keep in mind WHO your wearing your veil for and all that just melts away!

[Madame Vengier]

[quote name='HisChildForever' post='1833843' date='Apr 13 2009, 03:31 PM']Maybe I am interpreting this the wrong way, but is it so wrong to believe that women and men are equal? One is not less than the other.[/quote]

Equal but different. But I think you understand that very well. I continue to be puzzled as to why your every comment on gender is perceived by some as some kind of radical feminist propaganda. I'm not sure why that is, but it seems clear to me that you understand the natural gender roles as God intended them.