Lounge Daddy Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 Yet again the so-called "fourth estate" lets us all down. The press only tells us what the State tells them to tell us. Not in a conspiratorial way, but out of journalistic laziness. Maybe others had different exposure to the story than I did. But the view I got from the press was pretty much only what the Federal Government told the press. And we all know how trustworthy the Federal Government is right? What I saw from the press was that some evil Muslim pirates from that horrible place called Somalia were stealing ships and... well, that's all I saw in the press. I think I may have also seen a suggestion that the ships had radio-active junk and the evil Muslims might sell them to someone wanting to make a dirty bomb that do bad things to a city. The rest of the story. Our Government, with the help of the UN made Somalia what it was ...right up until after the civil war. When there was a Government in Somalia, the US liked it. Partly because the old Somali Government was allowing the US to dump radioactive materials on their shores. Remember the issues we had roughly the time the old Somali State collapsed? We were wondering what to do with all this radioactive waste, and our Government wanted to put it in a mountain. The timing wasn't a coincidence. Some of the Somalis became pirates to protect their families, because ships were still trying to show up and dump radioactive materials on their homes. Frankly, I don't blame them. A great "other side of the story"[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBI4OX92RFs"] is presented in this video[/url]. It's an interview with a guy named K'Naan, a Somali rap artist (now living in Montreal). It was recently posted up at Bureaucrash Social, [url="http://social.bureaucrash.com/group/agora/forum/topics/a-nonbatshit-account-of"]on an Agorist group page[/url]. Sometimes it might feel nice to think we have everything figured out, especially if that formula in our heads doesn't include our own Government being the initial aggressors. But often times its better to learn the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1812799' date='Mar 20 2009, 11:13 PM']Yet again the so-called "fourth estate" lets us all down. The press only tells us what the State tells them to tell us. Not in a conspiratorial way, but out of journalistic laziness. Maybe others had different exposure to the story than I did. But the view I got from the press was pretty much only what the Federal Government told the press. And we all know how trustworthy the Federal Government is right? What I saw from the press was that some evil Muslim pirates from that horrible place called Somalia were stealing ships and... well, that's all I saw in the press. I think I may have also seen a suggestion that the ships had radio-active junk and the evil Muslims might sell them to someone wanting to make a dirty bomb that do bad things to a city. The rest of the story. Our Government, with the help of the UN made Somalia what it was ...right up until after the civil war. When there was a Government in Somalia, the US liked it. Partly because the old Somali Government was allowing the US to dump radioactive materials on their shores. Remember the issues we had roughly the time the old Somali State collapsed? We were wondering what to do with all this radioactive waste, and our Government wanted to put it in a mountain. The timing wasn't a coincidence. Some of the Somalis became pirates to protect their families, because ships were still trying to show up and dump radioactive materials on their homes. Frankly, I don't blame them. A great "other side of the story"[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBI4OX92RFs"] is presented in this video[/url]. It's an interview with a guy named K'Naan, a Somali rap artist (now living in Montreal). It was recently posted up at Bureaucrash Social, [url="http://social.bureaucrash.com/group/agora/forum/topics/a-nonbatshit-account-of"]on an Agorist group page[/url]. Sometimes it might feel nice to think we have everything figured out, especially if that formula in our heads doesn't include our own Government being the initial aggressors. But often times its better to learn the truth.[/quote] So now Lounge Daddy believes pirating Islamist jihad is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 To be quite honest, considering that piracy appears to be the only paying job around there right now, I'm not about to condemn them. From the sounds of it, they treat their prisoners quite decently (for the most part), and while it's still very much illegal and dangerous... I just have a hard time entirely denouncing them. After all, they aren't breaking any laws in their own country..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 The next thing you are going to tell us is that our tax dollars went to help arm Saddam and Osama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1812838' date='Mar 21 2009, 12:32 AM']The next thing you are going to tell us is that our tax dollars went to help arm Saddam and Osama.[/quote] That would be as absurd as claiming he kicked out a democratically minded Iranian PM and propped up a dictator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted March 21, 2009 Author Share Posted March 21, 2009 Ya, I keep brining up craziness. Perhaps I may get back to thinking inside the box again. But I don't see that happening anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1813324' date='Mar 21 2009, 02:54 PM']Perhaps I may get back to thinking inside the box again.[/quote] Yah, please don't ever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 wow, small world. i have met this K'naan guy. he has played many concerts around here, great music. frankly, even if they werent treating prisoners well, these guys are ok in my books. i mean, real world Pirates? robbing the rich, and feeding the poor! awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted March 21, 2009 Author Share Posted March 21, 2009 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1813407' date='Mar 21 2009, 05:09 PM']Yah, please don't ever![/quote] [quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1813412' date='Mar 21 2009, 05:19 PM']wow, small world. i have met this K'naan guy. he has played many concerts around here, great music. frankly, even if they werent treating prisoners well, these guys are ok in my books. i mean, real world Pirates? robbing the rich, and feeding the poor! awesome[/quote] When is talk like a pirate day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted March 21, 2009 Share Posted March 21, 2009 [quote name='Jesus_lol' post='1813412' date='Mar 21 2009, 04:19 PM']frankly, even if they werent treating prisoners well, these guys are ok in my books. i mean, real world Pirates? robbing the rich, and feeding the poor! awesome[/quote] The whole 'launching RPGs at oil tankers' sorta ruins the 'Aye Cap'n!' image though. I believe talk like a pirate day is September 14... let me look it up. 19th. I was close. I always forget about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 Still again -- the Somali Pirates, defending their homeland, haven't killed anyone. This, even though some of them have been killed. And now[url="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=aYhvgOfyTmYA"] the US is considering attacking their land bases[/url]. Also, the US is going to use this as an excuse to prop up another Somali State that will be friendly to us. Probably this means a dictatorship that will allow us to dump toxic waste in their country. Disgusting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoTeckam Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) I am sorry... am I missing something? Even if they have not yet killed anyone they hold guns to people's heads. THey take hostages. You do not have to condone their behavior to condemn the conditions in Somalia. Edited April 13, 2009 by VoTeckam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='VoTeckam' post='1833733' date='Apr 13 2009, 10:39 AM']I am sorry... am I missing something? Even if they have not yet killed anyone they hold guns to people's heads. THey take hostages. You do not have to condone their behavior to condemn the conditions in Somalia.[/quote] Read the first post. While I don't agree with everything about their actions--I do largely condone what they are doing. They are defending their families. There's a good reason they are doing what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted April 13, 2009 Author Share Posted April 13, 2009 [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcpwS0izoJg&feature=player_embedded"]Here is one of the few recent news pieces that actually goes into why the pirates are doing what they are doing[/url] -- defending their families and their country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoTeckam Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1833745' date='Apr 13 2009, 11:56 AM']Read the first post. While I don't agree with everything about their actions--I do largely condone what they are doing. They are defending their families. There's a good reason they are doing what they are doing.[/quote] Crack dealers and bank robbers are defending their families as well. Terrorists are defending their countries and cultures. Having good reasons to steal and rob at gunpoint is not good enough. Ends ethics is not Christian Ethics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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