eagle_eye222001 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1833919' date='Apr 13 2009, 03:52 PM']Do you think this is jihad? It doesn't look like it has the same motivation to me.[/quote] No. I've surmised they are doing this as a way to make a lot of money quick. I mean, you don't do jihad for money, do you? I don't think so. I thought this song was appropriate. ---------------- Now playing: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/veggietales+(veggie+tunes)/track/the+pirates+who+dont+do+anything"]VeggieTales (Veggie Tunes) - The Pirates Who Don't Do Anything[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1833915' date='Apr 13 2009, 03:50 PM']It's just more Islamic jihad, that's all.[/quote] I have to disagee with you. There seems to have been a different motive. And wouldn't they have killed everyone? They wanted money. I am just comparing them to what you have said in the past and also to those who claimed jihad in the past. They (the jihadists) seemed to be more violent and more deadly then allowing a whole crew to leave and allowing a captain to leave. Jihadists don't seem to be after money. They seem to be more after gaining heaven by killing as many infidels as possible. You bring up something interesting, Loungepops, but was that ship carrying radioactive material? Edited April 13, 2009 by picchick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 I've read (emphasize read, because I can't back this up) that most of their hostages are treated quite well. I'm not saying that to excuse what they do. Only part of my reason why I don't think this is jihad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 According to [url="http://www.thefreedictionary.com/jihad"]http://www.thefreedictionary.com/jihad[/url] [b]jihad means.... 1. A Muslim holy war or spiritual struggle against infidels. 2. A crusade or struggle: "The war against smoking is turning into a jihad against people who smoke" Fortune.[/b] Definitely not one. If you want to use definition number two, then they are on a jihad for money which you could apply to people who work in general. According to [url="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jihad"]http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jihad[/url] jihad means..... [b]Function: noun Etymology: Arabic jihād Date: 1869 1: a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty ; also : a personal struggle in devotion to Islam especially involving spiritual discipline2: a crusade for a principle or belief[/b] The only principle is money. Obvious they are not looking to kill people and religion seems to be a non-issue here. I would argue you can't call this a jihad. ---------------- Now playing: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/hans+zimmer/track/jack+sparrow"]Hans Zimmer - Jack Sparrow[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1833925' date='Apr 13 2009, 04:58 PM']I have to disagee with you. There seems to have been a different motive. And wouldn't they have killed everyone? They wanted money.[/quote] Money to fund jihad. Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1833936' date='Apr 13 2009, 05:07 PM']Money to fund jihad. Yes.[/quote] Because ... they're Muslims? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='eagle_eye222001' post='1833933' date='Apr 13 2009, 05:05 PM']I would argue you can't call this a jihad.[/quote] And I would argue that you're wrong. [url="http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5htRuvfdgZ0NOpj2yi7bTIP3Z3HOw"]http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/artic...j2yi7bTIP3Z3HOw[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1833936' date='Apr 13 2009, 04:07 PM']Money to fund jihad. Yes.[/quote] Then why didn't they kill the whole crew or keep them hostage too? Why didn't they just kill the captain when they started realizing that they weren't going to win? I am not saying that it couldn't be to fund the jihad but I think that there motive was a different one. I just don't think we can say for sure that it was completely jihad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Lilllabettt' post='1833946' date='Apr 13 2009, 05:16 PM']Because ... they're Muslims?[/quote] Is that a serious question? Or were you attempting to bait me? YES, because they're Muslims. Edited April 13, 2009 by Madame Vengier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1833949' date='Apr 13 2009, 05:18 PM']Then why didn't they kill the whole crew or keep them hostage too? Why didn't they just kill the captain when they started realizing that they weren't going to win? I am not saying that it couldn't be to fund the jihad but I think that there motive was a different one. I just don't think we can say for sure that it was completely jihad.[/quote] Whatever gave you the impression that Islamic jihad is solely about violence?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1833948' date='Apr 13 2009, 04:16 PM']And I would argue that you're wrong. [url="http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5htRuvfdgZ0NOpj2yi7bTIP3Z3HOw"]http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/artic...j2yi7bTIP3Z3HOw[/url][/quote] That article has nothing to do with the pirate situation. In fact it has to do with American jihadists going to Somalia to join the jihad. This does not prove that the pirate situation was strictly for jihad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1833954' date='Apr 13 2009, 04:21 PM']Whatever gave you the impression that Islamic jihad is solely about violence??[/quote] What you have written in the past...the article you just posted...the fact that war requires violence... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1833955' date='Apr 13 2009, 05:21 PM']That article has nothing to do with the pirate situation. In fact it has to do with American jihadists going to Somalia to join the jihad. This does not prove that the pirate situation was strictly for jihad.[/quote] It has to do with jihad in Somalia, but I think you understood that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1833957' date='Apr 13 2009, 04:23 PM']It has to do with jihad in Somalia, but I think you understood that.[/quote] Yes I understood that. I am not denying that the jihad is not in Somalia. Heck, it is everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1833956' date='Apr 13 2009, 05:23 PM']What you have written in the past...the article you just posted...the fact that war requires violence...[/quote] Really, Meg. Do you read every post I write on Islamic jihad? It's clear that you don't because I have provided numerous sources and commentary in the past that support the existence of multiple forms of Islamic jihad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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