Madame Vengier Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1833962' date='Apr 13 2009, 05:25 PM']Yes I understood that. I am not denying that the jihad is not in Somalia. Heck, it is everywhere.[/quote] So then you just felt like provoking an argument out of me for...no reason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1833963' date='Apr 13 2009, 04:25 PM']Really, Meg. Do you read every post I write on Islamic jihad? It's clear that you don't because I have provided numerous sources and commentary in the past that support the existence of multiple forms of Islamic jihad.[/quote] No I haven't, I just don't understand why they would use this method to get money. Again, I am not denything that it could have been a way for them to get the money for jihad yet it doesn't seem like that to me. Leave it at that. We don't agree on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1833966' date='Apr 13 2009, 04:26 PM']So then you just felt like provoking an argument out of me for...no reason?[/quote] uh....no. I don't provoke arguments for no reason. I thought that you had posted that article to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the pirates were soley hijacking for jihad exclusively. I was disagreeing with you. I do not disagree with the fact that jihad is everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1833968' date='Apr 13 2009, 05:27 PM']No I haven't, I just don't understand why they would use this method to get money.[/quote]\ So what I hear you saying is that you are uninformed about the mechanisms involving Islamic jihad? Right? And that's fine. Not everyone wants to be informed of this topic--I understand that. But in that case, please don't tell others who are informed that they are wrong when you yourself are admittedly uninformed. That is all. Have a nice day, Meg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwannabe 777 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 MV, I respect your knowledge on many subjects but it seems to me as if you are the one starting the conflict. Picchick was just disagreeing. That last post you just posted could be seen as very offensive. I'm just trying to tell you this as your brother in Christ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) [quote name='picchick' post='1833971' date='Apr 13 2009, 05:30 PM'] uh....no. I don't provoke arguments for no reason. I thought that you had posted that article to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the pirates were soley hijacking for jihad exclusively. I was disagreeing with you. I do not disagree with the fact that jihad is everywhere.[/quote] So Somalia...which is rampant and overrun with jihad...has pirates hijacking ships, kidnapping, and holding folks for ransom to the tune of millions of dollars...but this has nooooooooooooothing at all to do with funding that same jihad that is rampant in Somalia? The pirates just want to use the money for DVDs and Nike sneakers, or what? Seriously. How do you think [i]the jihad that you admit is rampant in Somalia and elsewhere[/i] is being funded? Edited April 13, 2009 by Madame Vengier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='saintwannabe 777' post='1833980' date='Apr 13 2009, 05:36 PM']MV, I respect your knowledge on many subjects but it seems to me as if you are the one starting the conflict. Picchick was just disagreeing. That last post you just posted could be seen as very offensive. I'm just trying to tell you this as your brother in Christ.[/quote] "Very offensive"? Come on now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1833975' date='Apr 13 2009, 04:31 PM']\ So what I hear you saying is that you are uninformed about the mechanisms involving Islamic jihad? Right? And that's fine. Not everyone wants to be informed of this topic--I understand that. But in that case, please don't tell others who are informed that they are wrong when you yourself are admittedly uninformed. That is all. Have a nice day, Meg.[/quote] Poor Madame V is being picked on again? Did you just read what you wanted and ignore everything else? I said I DISAGREED with you. I didn't say you were WRONG. Furthermore, I stated why I disagreed. Those were not reasons to show you were wrong. It was to show what I was thinking. I guess that is not allowed. And I never said that I didn't WANT to be informed. I said that I DISAGREED. Big difference. But you, like pretty much every other time, read only that which seems to be against Madame V and ignore anything else. Helps to get your point across? Helps to knock down anyone else's opinion or ideas? Well, if it works for you...sure...go for it. Yeah, have a nice day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1833982' date='Apr 13 2009, 03:37 PM']So Somalia...which is rampant and overrun with jihad...has pirates hijacking ships, kidnapping, and holding folks for ransom to the tune of millions of dollars...but this has nooooooooooooothing at all to do with funding that same jihad that is rampant in Somalia? The pirates just want to use the money for DVDs and Nike sneakers, or what? Seriously. How do you think [i]the jihad that you admit is rampant in Somalia and elsewhere[/i] is being funded?[/quote] To be fair, Somalia is a very divided country. As I understand it, different regions are dominated by different factions, clans, governments... Certainly some areas [b]could be[/b] different than others, right? Edited April 13, 2009 by Nihil Obstat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1833982' date='Apr 13 2009, 04:37 PM']So Somalia...which is rampant and overrun with jihad...has pirates hijacking ships, kidnapping, and holding folks for ransom to the tune of millions of dollars...but this has nooooooooooooothing at all to do with funding that same jihad that is rampant in Somalia? The pirates just want to use the money for DVDs and Nike sneakers, or what? Seriously. How do you think [i]the jihad that you admit is rampant in Somalia and elsewhere[/i] is being funded?[/quote] Nike's? DVDs? Do you think I am THAT stupid??? No...how about food? How about survival? I have my ideas of where the money is coming from. Edited April 13, 2009 by picchick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1833994' date='Apr 13 2009, 05:41 PM']Poor Madame V is being picked on again?[/quote] Who said "picked on"? You? Yeah, you did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1833996' date='Apr 13 2009, 05:42 PM']To be fair, Somalia is a very divided country. As I understand it, different regions are dominated by different factions, clans, governments... Certainly some areas [b]could be[/b] different than others, right?[/quote] Currently, as we speak, Somalia is on the brink of ruin. So whatever may have been the case before, is no longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1834000' date='Apr 13 2009, 04:44 PM']Who said "picked on"? You? Yeah, you did.[/quote] Since when was disagreeing picking on, Madame V? Edited April 13, 2009 by picchick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1834002' date='Apr 13 2009, 03:45 PM']Currently, as we speak, Somalia is on the brink of ruin. So whatever may have been the case before, is no longer.[/quote] Aren't there still areas being controlled by different factions? The remnants of the old government, tribal type areas, that sort of thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1833953' date='Apr 13 2009, 05:19 PM']Is that a serious question? Or were you attempting to bait me? YES, because they're Muslims.[/quote] Yeah, its a serious question. Is there any rationale for this being jihad, other than the people involved happen to be Muslims? Muslims don't believe in original sin, but boy oh boy have they got it. That means they sometimes do evil things because of sex, money, power ... it's simplistic and ridiculous to assign Jihad as the motive to every evil thing that Muslims do. That's what you're doing, unless I'm missing some proof you've posted. A bunch of Muslims rob a bank, its JIHAD! Muslim carjacks a family man and steals his Chrysler, its JIHAD! Muslim is rude in the check out line of the grocery store ... JIHAD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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