picchick Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Lilllabettt' post='1834006' date='Apr 13 2009, 04:48 PM']Muslims don't believe in original sin, but boy oh boy have they got it. That means they sometimes do evil things because of sex, money, power ... it's simplistic and ridiculous to assign Jihad as the motive to every evil thing that Muslims do. That's what you're doing, unless I'm missing some proof you've posted.[/quote] Madame V has researched Isalm and jihad extensively. There is a thread somewhere on phatmass where she a lot of information posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwannabe 777 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Lilllabettt' post='1834006' date='Apr 13 2009, 04:48 PM']Yeah, its a serious question. Is there any rationale for this being jihad, other than the people involved happen to be Muslims? Muslims don't believe in original sin, but boy oh boy have they got it. That means they sometimes do evil things because of sex, money, power ... it's simplistic and ridiculous to assign Jihad as the motive to every evil thing that Muslims do. That's what you're doing, unless I'm missing some proof you've posted. A bunch of Muslims rob a bank, its JIHAD! Muslim carjacks a family man and steals his Chrysler, its JIHAD! Muslim is rude in the check out line of the grocery store ... JIHAD![/quote] MV, i sense you have some animosity towards muslims. You spend a lot of your time, fighting what you see as jihad where you should instead be praying for the conversion of the muslims. You have become so obsessed with the evils of jihad that you have forgotten about what Adonai Yeshua said, "Love your enemies." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwannabe 777 Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='saintwannabe 777' post='1834015' date='Apr 13 2009, 04:53 PM']MV, i sense you have some animosity towards muslims. You spend a lot of your time, fighting what you see as jihad where you should instead be praying for the conversion of the muslims. You have become so obsessed with the evils of jihad that you have forgotten about what Adonai Yeshua said, "Love your enemies."[/quote] I think that is a little harsh. I do not mean to be saying you are not living out Yeshua's words in your life, I just feel in your posts you are lumping all these people together as jihadists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1834011' date='Apr 13 2009, 05:51 PM']Madame V has researched Isalm and jihad extensively. There is a thread somewhere on phatmass where she a lot of information posted.[/quote] I'm talking about this situation here. Is there any proof at all this has anything to do with Jihad, except for the pirates being Muslim? I seem to remember these Somali pirates attacking a Saudi oil tanker last fall, and a bunch of Islamic militants promising to cut off their heads once they made land fall for daring to steal Muslim owned oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VoTeckam Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Uh... Let's not give these guys the credit of assuming they are pirating for something as "noble" as their religion. They are doing this for money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Remember the deadly fires in Australia? Those were supposed to be the result of "jihad" too. I wonder whatever became of that. The moral to the Somali pirates' story is that desperate people will do desperate things. Unjustifiable things, even. True they treat the hostages well but... their system wouldn't work if the threat of death did not exist for the people they take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilllabettt Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Maggie' post='1834033' date='Apr 13 2009, 06:04 PM']Remember the deadly fires in Australia? Those were supposed to be the result of "jihad" too. I wonder whatever became of that.[/quote] Hey I forgot about the "jihad" arsonists. Wow, that and "Jihad" pirates. Quite the combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Lilllabettt' post='1834038' date='Apr 13 2009, 06:08 PM']Hey I forgot about the "jihad" arsonists. Wow, that and "Jihad" pirates. Quite the combo.[/quote] Yes, Lillabett. That is correct. Even though you intended to be sarcastic, that is in fact CORRECT. I wonder why you all are so eager to refute the notion that jihadists have multiple MO's. And the jihad arsonists weren't "jihad" arsonists. Viable threats were made against the people of Australia by radical Muslims practicing jihad to use brush fires as a weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Lilllabettt' post='1834038' date='Apr 13 2009, 06:08 PM']Hey I forgot about the "jihad" arsonists. Wow, that and "Jihad" pirates. Quite the combo.[/quote] I googled and they have arrested one man and charged him with arson. Apparently not a Muslim terrorist (they got him for child pornography too). So much for the "all disasters/crimes are portents of jihad" theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Madame Vengier' post='1834051' date='Apr 13 2009, 06:13 PM']I wonder why you all are so eager to refute the notion that jihadists have multiple MO's.[/quote] It must be because we are... IN LEAGUE with the jihadists! Or Muslims ourselves! The devout Catholic thing is just a facade!!! I am going to stop being sarcastic now Edited April 13, 2009 by Maggie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Maggie' post='1834033' date='Apr 13 2009, 06:04 PM']Remember the deadly fires in Australia? Those were supposed to be the result of "jihad" too. I wonder whatever became of that.[/quote] There was no "supposed to", Maggie. It was a THEORY and that was made clear numerous times in that thread. And why was it a theory? Because radical Muslims had made viable threats four months before, encouraging jihadists to use brush fires as weapons in Australia. But don't let the facts get in the way of sarcastic retorts meant to make others look foolish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Maggie' post='1834058' date='Apr 13 2009, 06:15 PM']I am going to stop being sarcastic now [/quote] Yeah, you should, because it's not clever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 Has anybody asked the Somali pirates themselves why they do what they do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 [quote name='Maggie' post='1834064' date='Apr 13 2009, 04:18 PM']Has anybody asked the Somali pirates themselves why they do what they do?[/quote] Might have some trouble doing that... they do have RPGs after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madame Vengier Posted April 13, 2009 Share Posted April 13, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Maggie' post='1834052' date='Apr 13 2009, 06:13 PM']I googled and they have arrested one man and charged him with arson. Apparently not a Muslim terrorist (they got him for child pornography too). So much for the "all disasters/crimes are portents of jihad" theory.[/quote] Why did you have to Google it, Maggie? The [i]update was already posted here months ago when the guy was caught.[/i] And no one said the culprit was a Muslim. It was a theory based on a specific THREAT issued months before the fires. But that's okay, you can ignore that since you are so much enjoying trying to make others look foolish. Edited April 13, 2009 by Madame Vengier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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