More On Notre Dame

[CatherineM]

Retired Archbishop John R. Quinn (who confirmed me) came out this week not so much speaking to whether the invitation should have been given in the first place, but rather how will things be viewed if the invitation is withdrawn. This is someone I respect, even when I don't agree with him 100%. [url="http://blog.beliefnet.com/pontifications/2009/03/notre-dame-outrage-update-card.html"]Source[/url] So, I at least was willing to listen to what he had to say. I was stunned that he described Obama as, "a man of good will, of keen intelligence, desirous of listening and capable of weighing seriously other views." He did make some valid points about potential backlash that could happen if the president is publicly embarrassed by being un-invited. Me, I'm willing to take that chance, but it did start me thinking about what may happen long run with the whole situation no matter which direction it goes.

It will be interesting to see where this ends up.

[eagle_eye222001]

I was thinking of the political reality and I don't see this being canceled due to the political awkwardness of the president of Notre Dame admitting he was wrong and creating a massive field day for the media......

.....I doubt Obama will cancel it. He wants to keep the "Catholic" vote and he wouldn't want a press field week of theories and commentaries whether they are in his favor or not.

A reversal would gather attention for true Catholocism.....something both Obama and the president want to avoid.

For both parties, it is better politically to go through the event with mild press whether they think they made the correct initial decision in inviting and accepting than to flip-flop and gather massive press attention.

That being said, the Catholic thing would be to politely rescind the invitation.



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[Dave]

I don't see my own archbishop's name on there! But I'm sorry to say that I'm not really surprised either.

[CatherineM]

All my bishops are on the list, Oklahoma and Florida, and a former pastor who's bishop in Arkansas.

[reelguy227]

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1838590' date='Apr 17 2009, 01:38 PM']To see the bishops react as they are reduces the scandal to Catholics. An appropriate next step is to strip Notre Dame of its Catholic title and thus, Catholic funding, and recall the religious order that runs the school.[/quote]

Yes!! I've been saying this for the past month! Why won't the Church do this? Can they?

[Maximilianus]

[quote name='Dave' post='1839090' date='Apr 17 2009, 07:49 PM']I don't see my own archbishop's name on there! But I'm sorry to say that I'm not really surprised either.[/quote]
Ditto.

[Selah]

[quote name='StColette' post='1835189' date='Apr 14 2009, 01:07 PM']Stupid head![/quote]

Language, my dear, language!

Edited April 18, 2009 by Selah

[melporcristo]

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1838608' date='Apr 17 2009, 10:55 AM']Which is why it is important that so many of those 300,000 signatures come from students, alumni, and staff. It needs to get serious enough so that the powers that be realize the decision was a terrible mistake and rescind the offer. It sounds like the only thing they will listen to though is the $ sign reading Fr. Jenkins responses. There have been some outstanding responses from professors at the school who completely oppose what the university is doing.[/quote]
JMJT

Unfortunately, Brother Adam, I don't think many of those students think of it as a scandal. I see many of the ND students, at least the ones I know, rejoicing over the fact their school is causing controversy and wanting to see Obama there.
Lord have mercy on Notre Shame.

[KnightofChrist]

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='melporcristo' post='1839598' date='Apr 18 2009, 12:55 PM']JMJT

Unfortunately, Brother Adam, I don't think many of those students think of it as a scandal. I see many of the ND students, at least the ones I know, rejoicing over the fact their school is causing controversy and wanting to see Obama there.
Lord have mercy on Notre Shame.[/quote]

I don't know what the statistics are, but I know many ND alumni on both sides of the fence. The few ND students I know have signed the petition. People do not attend ND because it is a Catholic school - they attend because of the pseudo-prestige ND and other ivy leagues hold, even if what they teach in many of their classes is a joke. It is not surprising that a tremendous number of students support the move. I still think the best thing that the Catholic bishops can do is quietly cut ties with the school, revoke its Catholic status, and recall the religious order. They don't need to make a big deal out of it, but they do need to avoid scandalizing the faithful in the US even further. So few US Catholics are Catholic anymore as it is.

[tinytherese]

Why do some catholic schools even call themselves catholic. Marquette has a gay pride alliance club for goodness sake.

[picchick]

[quote name='melporcristo' post='1839598' date='Apr 18 2009, 11:55 AM']JMJT

Lord have mercy on Notre Shame.[/quote]

Excuse me...it is Notre Dame. Don't screw that up.

There are a lot of schools out there that are Catholic by name only. You all can admit that. The only difference is that they don't have Obama coming to their school.

Wow.

Edited April 19, 2009 by picchick

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

I think that Bishop D'Arcy recognizes that stripping Notre Dame of its Catholic status would be abandoning all the orthodox students and faculty and all they have worked to accomplish in the classroom and in campus ministry (not to mention the conundrum it would create for the attached seminary, which happened to ordain three priests today). This isn't another ivy, the student body is 85% Catholic. Things are not always as they seem in the media. I understand that the administration's decision is upsetting to a lot of the faithful, but it is even more upsetting to the people here who've worked so hard to build an overwhelmingly positive Catholic environment. Students and alumni have done way more in the last few weeks than the Cardinal Newman Society could ever hope to get accomplished here. Notre Dame is hardly the Sodom and Gomorrah it's sometimes made out to be in the well-meaning Catholic media.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='thedude' post='1839913' date='Apr 18 2009, 06:58 PM']I think that Bishop D'Arcy recognizes that stripping Notre Dame of its Catholic status would be abandoning all the orthodox students and faculty and all they have worked to accomplish in the classroom and in campus ministry (not to mention the conundrum it would create for the attached seminary, which happened to ordain three priests today). This isn't another ivy, the student body is 85% Catholic. Things are not always as they seem in the media. I understand that the administration's decision is upsetting to a lot of the faithful, but it is even more upsetting to the people here who've worked so hard to build an overwhelmingly positive Catholic environment. Students and alumni have done way more in the last few weeks than the Cardinal Newman Society could ever hope to get accomplished here. Notre Dame is hardly the Sodom and Gomorrah it's sometimes made out to be in the well-meaning Catholic media.[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
thank you for your perspective.

[Brother Adam]

I'm interested to hear what the students and alumni have done? Alumni I have spoken would like to see it happen, they think the threat of it will be enough to get the school to change its position.

Edited April 19, 2009 by Brother Adam