More On Notre Dame

[melporcristo]

[quote name='picchick' post='1839905' date='Apr 18 2009, 06:53 PM']Excuse me...it is Notre Dame. Don't screw that up.

There are a lot of schools out there that are Catholic by name only. You all can admit that. The only difference is that they don't have Obama coming to their school.

Wow.[/quote]

JMJT

Sorry for the diss.
BUT it's more than the Obama thing. Having the V-Monologues there year after year and having sketchy Theology courses among other things has been why ND has dissed on it's Catholic "identity".

[melporcristo]

[quote name='thedude' post='1839913' date='Apr 18 2009, 06:58 PM']I think that Bishop D'Arcy recognizes that stripping Notre Dame of its Catholic status would be abandoning all the orthodox students and faculty and all they have worked to accomplish in the classroom and in campus ministry (not to mention the conundrum it would create for the attached seminary, which happened to ordain three priests today). This isn't another ivy, the student body is 85% Catholic. Things are not always as they seem in the media. I understand that the administration's decision is upsetting to a lot of the faithful, but it is even more upsetting to the people here who've worked so hard to build an overwhelmingly positive Catholic environment. Students and alumni have done way more in the last few weeks than the Cardinal Newman Society could ever hope to get accomplished here. Notre Dame is hardly the Sodom and Gomorrah it's sometimes made out to be in the well-meaning Catholic media.[/quote]

JMJT

Thanks for pointing this out.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

I'm a member of several of the groups that signed onto the original statement and formed the ND Response student coalition, which can be found online here:
[url="http://www.ndresponse.com/"]http://www.ndresponse.com/[/url]

I'm also a member of Knights of Columbus Council 1477 which has released its own statement (this is a college council housed on campus):
[url="http://www.nd.edu/~knights/"]http://www.nd.edu/~knights/[/url]

An alumni group that has been working for Catholic identity here for years is Project Sycamore:
[url="http://www.projectsycamore.com/"]http://www.projectsycamore.com/[/url]

One of the gems of our university, the Center for Ethics and Culture, gives us its support at their website, where you can read the statement from one of the philosophy faculty (and parent of a current senior) at our prayer vigil in front of the golden dome a couple weeks ago:
[url="http://ethicscenter.nd.edu/"]http://ethicscenter.nd.edu/[/url]

So far we've had a media-covered Palm Sunday prayer vigil in front of our main administration building that included a professor (above) and a prominent Catholic lawyer with years of service in the pro-life cause. Yesterday was a campus march for life that began at the foot of the main building (if you know anything about ND, this is like praying in front of the White House). It included remarks from Dr. Charles Rice, which some here may be familiar with (look on the cover of Catholicism for Dummies). A prayer vigil for seniors not attending graduation is being talked about for the same time as the commencement, possibly attended by Bishop D'Arcy. There is also a campus million rosary campaign that has begun. A number of student leaders in the coalition also continue to be in direct contact with Fr. Jenkins and Bishop D'Arcy.

It may not seem like much, but the university knows we are out there. In keeping with the Catholic spirit of our movement and Bishop D'Arcy's direction, we obviously would not want to escalate this into something embarrassing to ourselves and the university, or derogatory toward the administration. At the same time, there are a lot of faculty, staff, and religious on campus who keep silent in an effort to keep peace within the community. I can only imagine the rift that has been struck in the campus Holy Cross community. We definitely need prayer.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='melporcristo' post='1839935' date='Apr 18 2009, 08:23 PM']JMJT

Sorry for the diss.
BUT it's more than the Obama thing. Having the V-Monologues there year after year and having sketchy Theology courses among other things has been why ND has dissed on it's Catholic "identity".[/quote]
I don't want to seem like I'm defending the monologues in any way, but it's not performed here every year (not even this year as a matter of fact) and has been regulated to the point that I didn't even know when or where it was taking place. It was also met with a student walk-out protest after the first scene. I believe the students may have left a letter from our own beloved Bishop D'Arcy on the seats.

The theology department is another matter. It's actually quite good. I'm a theology major and have had a lot of solid professors. Some of the faculty are not Catholics so obviously differences exist. That's a separate issue entirely. The heterodoxy we hear about is not the norm though.

Anyone who is interested should look into our philosophy department. It's incredible.

[Brother Adam]

Thanks for the update. I knew about a couple of those like the march, but not all of them. Keep us updated in the future.

[picchick]

[quote name='melporcristo' post='1839935' date='Apr 18 2009, 09:23 PM']JMJT

Sorry for the diss.
BUT it's more than the Obama thing. Having the V-Monologues there year after year and having sketchy Theology courses among other things has been why ND has dissed on it's Catholic "identity".[/quote]

How many other "Catholic" Universities and colleges do the same? I have not attened ND so I do not have the inside scoop like thedude has. But I will say that if you attack Notre Dame for this then you need to start to also go after the other universities and colleges.

Edited April 19, 2009 by picchick

[princessgianna]

SLU in claims to have a "Catholic History" That;s as far it gets!

[Slappo]

[quote name='picchick' post='1839982' date='Apr 18 2009, 05:56 PM']How many other "Catholic" Universities and colleges do the same? I have not attened ND so I do not have the inside scoop like thedude has. But I will say that if you attack Notre Dame for this then you need to start to also go after the other universities and colleges.[/quote]

I think the difference is that Notre Dame is a big name college. Sure you have Catholic universities all over the place doing things against the faith, but very very few are as widely known, especially for their Catholic name, as Notre Dame.

Another semi-big name school would be Gonzaga University, which is also Catholic but not super up on the whole orthodox thing, but again Notre Dame is by far more well known.

As for saying, "Notre Shame," really, that's what the bishops are saying... Notre Dame literally means Our Lady (notre from the latin nostra meaning us). Notre Shame would mean Our Shame. Right now the University is a shame to Catholicism. Instead of standing for the Blessed Virgin and all that she would do, the university is standing for some of the most shameful things a Catholic university can do. As one of the bishops said... if you're going to keep this up, change the name of the school. Seriously, it's a dishonor to Our Lady for her title to be used in a university so off track for what the Blessed Virgin stands for.

Now of course, respect ought to still be given to the university as a place of higher education, but to call the school Our Shame, or a shame to Catholicism, isn't entirely inappropriate.

[jmjtina]

a very humble and holy priest, who was one of the alumni at ND when it was an all boys school (he's 83?) loves the school dearly. (he was on the football team and went into battle on D-day in Battalion B (or something like that) which later became the Navy Seals.

As one person recently told him when he was wearing the ND cap, he may want to rethink wearing it, he told them, "The school belongs to Our Lady. Not the group of people who run it." The school does belong to Our Lady, and while there has been storm after storm, we must really take to our rosary beads.

[picchick]

[quote name='Slappo' post='1840034' date='Apr 18 2009, 10:34 PM']I think the difference is that Notre Dame is a big name college. Sure you have Catholic universities all over the place doing things against the faith, but very very few are as widely known, especially for their Catholic name, as Notre Dame.

Another semi-big name school would be Gonzaga University, which is also Catholic but not super up on the whole orthodox thing, but again Notre Dame is by far more well known.

As for saying, "Notre Shame," really, that's what the bishops are saying... Notre Dame literally means Our Lady (notre from the latin nostra meaning us). Notre Shame would mean Our Shame. Right now the University is a shame to Catholicism. Instead of standing for the Blessed Virgin and all that she would do, the university is standing for some of the most shameful things a Catholic university can do. As one of the bishops said... if you're going to keep this up, change the name of the school. Seriously, it's a dishonor to Our Lady for her title to be used in a university so off track for what the Blessed Virgin stands for.

Now of course, respect ought to still be given to the university as a place of higher education, but to call the school Our Shame, or a shame to Catholicism, isn't entirely inappropriate.[/quote]

The ones I am thinking of are big name universities.

Loyola University
Marquette University
Notre Dame University
Gonzaga University
Georgetown University

and this is not to mention all the other ones that are not big name but go by "Catholic"

Take a look at all big name Catholic Universities. Let's see how many are truly as orthodox as people want them to be.

Does this mean though that they should be stripped of their Catholic title? The above universities I am sure have some really good Theology/philosophy classes going on. For one, Didy's gf LisFlo goes to Loyola and is very orthodox. So are her friends. Is this to say that we should throw the baby out with the bath water?

It is inappropriate to say Notre Shame. It is a disrespect to the name of the school. You can argue that the literal translation turns to Our Shame if you want. However, it is a play on words. You know that and so do I.

There was an apology though so alls well now.

[quote name='jmjtina' post='1840120' date='Apr 18 2009, 11:48 PM']a very humble and holy priest, who was one of the alumni at ND when it was an all boys school (he's 83?) loves the school dearly. (he was on the football team and went into battle on D-day in Battalion B (or something like that) which later became the Navy Seals.

As one person recently told him when he was wearing the ND cap, he may want to rethink wearing it, he told them, "The school belongs to Our Lady. Not the group of people who run it." The school does belong to Our Lady, and while there has been storm after storm, we must really take to our rosary beads.[/quote]




Oh and by the way, people...Georgetown took down their Jesus signs for Obama. I don't see that anywhere here...

[SaintOlaf]

[quote name='jmjtina' post='1840120' date='Apr 19 2009, 12:48 AM']As one person recently told him when he was wearing the ND cap, he may want to rethink wearing it, he told them, "The school belongs to Our Lady. Not the group of people who run it."[/quote]

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

Quick update: The campus chapter of Communion and Liberation is having an open student discussion about this today.

[Slappo]

[quote name='picchick' post='1840228' date='Apr 18 2009, 10:28 PM']It is inappropriate to say Notre Shame. It is a disrespect to the name of the school. You can argue that the literal translation turns to Our Shame if you want. However, it is a play on words. You know that and so do I.

There was an apology though so alls well now.[/quote]

I didn't say it wasn't inappropriate. I did say that it isn't [b]entirely[/b] inappropriate. I think I didn't make that very clear. I don't think it is right to call the school that by title, but by no means is it wrong to say that the school has been a shame to many Catholics, especially alumni.