Texas Talks Of Leaving. Norris Talks Running As 1st Pres Of Texas.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1836393' date='Apr 15 2009, 04:54 PM']Ya, Texas used to be quite a bit bigger, didn't it?[/quote]


sigh... I JUST got done teaching my kids about the Texas revolution and its becoming a state... Now I have to take it all back...?

[rkwright]

Just wondering, I think it may be a misconception that TX has a right to secede written in its constitution. I have yet to find it... But open for correction.

Did you know...

There are 3 separate power grids in the USA. One for everything east of the Mississippi river, one for everything west and one for Texas.

The only thing TX would really be lacking is a navy, but I'm sure we could raise one.

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='BG45' post='1836740' date='Apr 15 2009, 09:54 PM']It does have a pretty shape now.

Although if it does secede, the United States would like its military equipment back, amongst other things. This is assuming of course, the people of Texas (See: Actually the state government) decide to inaugurate a civil war.

Yes it's in their state Constitution to leave, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be an amiable separation.[/quote]
That's okay. I hear tell there are enough military grade weapons amongst the civilians anyways

[Lilllabettt]

there is no provision in the Texas constitution permitting succession. there is a part subjecting Texas to the Constitution of the United States.

Long live the Constitution.

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='BG45' post='1836740' date='Apr 15 2009, 09:54 PM']It does have a pretty shape now.

Although if it does secede, the United States would like its military equipment back, amongst other things. This is assuming of course, the people of Texas (See: Actually the state government) decide to inaugurate a civil war.

Yes it's in their state Constitution to leave, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't be an amiable separation.[/quote]

We got our Texas Guard.

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1836816' date='Apr 15 2009, 10:50 PM']sigh... I JUST got done teaching my kids about the Texas revolution and its becoming a state... Now I have to take it all back...? [/quote]

I hate that about textbooks! lol by the time it gets to the student's hands its all old information.

[Lilllabettt]

You can read the current version of the state constitution [url="http://www.constitution.legis.state.tx.us/"]here[/url]

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Lilllabettt' post='1836991' date='Apr 16 2009, 01:07 AM']there is no provision in the Texas constitution permitting succession. there is a part subjecting Texas to the Constitution of the United States.

Long live the Constitution.[/quote]

Too bad the Federal Government isn't interested in subjecting itself to the Constitution. Kinda' like everyone has to pay taxes, except for the people in Washington who want to enforce the tax laws on everyone else.

The Political Class is funny like that.

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Lilllabettt' post='1837003' date='Apr 16 2009, 01:13 AM']You can read the current version of the state constitution [url="http://www.constitution.legis.state.tx.us/"]here[/url][/quote]

Oh I misunderstood your point. Sorry

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote]"Sec. 1. FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY OF STATE. Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States."[/quote]

The US Constitution and the integrity of Texas institutions both carry equal weight here. And Texas feel the later is being violated. Most states feel the same about their own integrity being stomped on -- that's why at least 28 state sovereignty bills have been submitted to the US Congress as well, as further warnings from other states.

[Lilllabettt]

H.R. 1424 [110th]: Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008

(TX) Cornyn, John ®: Yea
(TX) Hutchinson, Kay ®: Yea

edit: haha the "R" for republican turned into little "restricted" signs. ironic.

Edited April 16, 2009 by Lilllabettt

[Lilllabettt]

[quote]"Sec. 1. FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY OF STATE. Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States."[/quote]

The part which states " [...] the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self government,[...]" describes a principle. It does not prescribe a remedy should that principle be violated.

"To preserve freedom and the Union it is necessary to preserve local government." That is all it says. It does not say what should be done if Texas feels its institutions are being violated. It is wrong to read the second part of that sentence as a veiled threat.

This section does not equate the US Constitution and Texas institutions, it subjects Texas to the Constitution.


[quote name='Lounge Daddy' post='1837013' date='Apr 16 2009, 02:22 AM']The US Constitution and the integrity of Texas institutions both carry equal weight here. And Texas feel the later is being violated. Most states feel the same about their own integrity being stomped on -- that's why at least 28 state sovereignty bills have been submitted to the US Congress as well, as further warnings from other states.[/quote]

[Aloysius]

[url="http://www.texassecede.com/faq.htm"]http://www.texassecede.com/faq.htm[/url]

down with the imperialism of Washington D.C.! either Washington D.C. submits to the authority of the Constitution, or the states should rescind their ratification of it!

[TotusTuusMaria]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1836726' date='Apr 15 2009, 09:42 PM']It's got such a pretty shape now though. [/quote]

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='BG45' post='1836740' date='Apr 15 2009, 09:54 PM']It does have a pretty shape now.[/quote]

And I have a lovely Texas cookie cutter that would have to be bent all out of shape....

[quote name='littleflower+JMJ' post='1836998' date='Apr 16 2009, 01:10 AM']I hate that about textbooks! lol by the time it gets to the student's hands its all old information. [/quote]


(yeah, you'd think the information would be good for more than 150 years.)

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Aloysius' post='1837089' date='Apr 16 2009, 03:16 AM'][url="http://www.texassecede.com/faq.htm"]http://www.texassecede.com/faq.htm[/url]

down with the imperialism of Washington D.C.! either Washington D.C. submits to the authority of the Constitution, or the states should rescind their ratification of it![/quote]

Amen, ba'rother.