Baptism Class We Had To Attend

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
long story short, my hubby and i had to attend another baptism class for our second baby. in this class we had to watch this video from 23rd Publications, presenter was Kathleen O. Chesto. Here's what was presented to us in [url="http://store.pastoralplanning.com/kachonba.html"]this video[/url] (what we were supposed to "learn"):

-liturgy comes before theology
-we ritualize before we theologize
-those who theologize often infuse meaning that the original participants didn't mean/never intended
-we practice - then tradition - then theology
-family baptism didn't start until the 4th century
-baptism then became about forgiveness of sin in the 4th century instead of a ritual welcoming adults into a Christian life (it did say that the catechumenate process was much longer for those wanting to join the Church because they wanted to make sure they weren't Roman spies).
-St. Augustine introduced/invented the doctrine of original sin theology - he didn't know enough of the Church's history to know that we hadn't always baptized infants.
-for the next 1500 years, that's what the Church taught
-St. Augustine taught that unbaptized babies went to hell
-then Church theologians/popes/whatever taught that unbaptized babies went to limbo
-the 'outside the Church, there is no salvation' isn't really taught
-God doesn't need our sacraments to save us, we need them to participate in His love
-Vatican II changed all the wrong theology
-Baptism is a model to raise your child in the faith - a ritual.

[Brother Adam]

Yikes! I'm sure you informed the teacher that she/he is teaching heresy. I had previously thought 23rd publications was an orthodox publishing house.

[Selah]

Yikes. Edited April 19, 2009 by Selah

[CatherineM]

Things like this just make me want to scream.

[eagle_eye222001]

and we wonder why the Catholic vote goes to Obama......

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[tinytherese]

Oh dear! There seriously needs to be a reform in catechesis today.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1839877' date='Apr 18 2009, 06:31 PM']Yikes! I'm sure you informed the teacher that she/he is teaching heresy. I had previously thought 23rd publications was an orthodox publishing house.[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
i'd never heard of them before i did find out that she writes for U.S. Catholic magazine (i think?)

[Brother Adam]

That's the story of our life No really, if all we can accomplish as orthodox catechists is to reform catechesis in the US in our lifetime, that will have been a monumental accomplishment.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1839908' date='Apr 18 2009, 06:55 PM']That's the story of our life No really, if all we can accomplish as orthodox catechists is to reform catechesis in the US in our lifetime, that will have been a monumental accomplishment.[/quote]
+J.M.J.+
very true.

[BG45]

...say...what?

[Lil Red]

+J.M.J.+
you know what kills me is the St. Augustine croutons about him not knowing enough of the Church's history. that's like, umm, what???

[eagle_eye222001]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1840016' date='Apr 18 2009, 10:21 PM']+J.M.J.+
you know what kills me is the St. Augustine croutons about him not knowing enough of the Church's history. that's like, umm, what???[/quote]

Yeah......when you hear something that blatant......its' like....um......Houston....we have a problem!

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[Theoketos]

My pastor made my wife and I go to the Baptism class (we both have advanced degrees in Theology) for the sake of our souls in that it would be penance. The video we watch contained no Heresy, unless you could wussy looking liturgical vestments and altars. I will ask about the name and report back.

Edit

My does not remember either.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='eagle_eye222001' post='1840017' date='Apr 18 2009, 08:22 PM']Yeah......when you hear something that blatant......its' like....um......Houston....we have a problem!

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+J.M.J.+
there was so much in this video that was objectionable that i didn't even get a chance to write down too. i'm half tempted to get the video just so i can outline all the things wrong with it.

[BG45]

[quote name='Lil Red' post='1840022' date='Apr 18 2009, 11:25 PM']+J.M.J.+
there was so much in this video that was objectionable that i didn't even get a chance to write down too. i'm half tempted to get the video just so i can outline all the things wrong with it.[/quote]

If you succumb to the temptation, you could send your outline with a really nice letter to the publisher going, "I'm sorry, but I think you have a problem...or fifty".