Welfare Benefits

[Winchester]

Should require:

1. Regular drug tests
2. Job applications regularly submitted
3. Class attendance (parenting, vo-tech, etcetera)
4. Government service (picking up trash, for instance)
5. Regular inspection of home, if government assistance applies to housing
6. Minimum grades for children in school of C average or better

Why should welfare be free?

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1841658' date='Apr 20 2009, 04:42 PM']Should require:

1. Regular drug tests
2. Job applications regularly submitted
3. Class attendance (parenting, vo-tech, etcetera)
4. Government service (picking up trash, for instance)
5. Regular inspection of home, if government assistance applies to housing
6. Minimum grades for children in school of C average or better

Why should welfare be free?[/quote]

No arguments here...

[CatherineM]

No problem here either. They used to not let those on Welfare benefits attend any kind of school or training. Don't know if that has changed. Those on disability benefits who are addicts used to have to have a representative payee so that the money couldn't go to drugs. They do make visits to government housing, primarily to make sure there aren't extra people living there.

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='CatherineM' post='1841815' date='Apr 20 2009, 06:00 PM']No problem here either. [b] They used to not let those on Welfare benefits attend any kind of school or training. [/b] Don't know if that has changed. Those on disability benefits who are addicts used to have to have a representative payee so that the money couldn't go to drugs. They do make visits to government housing, primarily to make sure there aren't extra people living there.[/quote]

In Oregon, if you live in subsidized housing, you are not allowed to attend college.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1841822' date='Apr 20 2009, 07:03 PM']In Oregon, if you live in subsidized housing, you are not allowed to attend college.[/quote]

Seems silly doesn't it. I think the thinking was to keep kids on student loans and not welfare.

[Winchester]

That's a dumb rule.

[Maximilianus]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1841822' date='Apr 20 2009, 07:03 PM']In Oregon, if you live in subsidized housing, you are not allowed to attend college.[/quote]

Got to keep the cycle going.

[Fidei Defensor]

I agree with those requirements. Maybe not so strongly with the drug testing, perhaps only for those with a history of drug use. Otherwise reasonable.

Edited April 22, 2009 by fidei defensor

[VoTeckam]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1841658' date='Apr 20 2009, 07:42 PM']Should require:

1. Regular drug tests
2. Job applications regularly submitted
3. Class attendance (parenting, vo-tech, etcetera)
4. Government service (picking up trash, for instance)
5. Regular inspection of home, if government assistance applies to housing
6. Minimum grades for children in school of C average or better

Why should welfare be free?[/quote]


I'd take issue with number 2. Does that apply to all adults in the house? What if I mother needs to stay home with a child?

[MissScripture]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1841658' date='Apr 20 2009, 06:42 PM']Should require:

1. Regular drug tests
2. Job applications regularly submitted
3. Class attendance (parenting, vo-tech, etcetera)
4. Government service (picking up trash, for instance)
5. Regular inspection of home, if government assistance applies to housing
6. Minimum grades for children in school of C average or better

Why should welfare be free?[/quote]
The question is, who would be teaching these parenting classes? If it's from the gov't, anyway, what makes you think it will improve anything?

Also, who would be in charge of enforcing these requirements?


[quote name='VoTeckam' post='1843418' date='Apr 22 2009, 09:56 AM']I'd take issue with number 2. Does that apply to all adults in the house? What if I mother needs to stay home with a child?[/quote]
Espcially since oftentimes, daycare costs the same or more than what you make.

[hoosieranna]

[quote name='T-Bone _' post='1841822' date='Apr 20 2009, 08:03 PM']In Oregon, if you live in subsidized housing, you are not allowed to attend college.[/quote]

In Indiana recipients are allowed to go to school. It gets dicey though. Sometimes the benefits provide more income than whatever field the recipient is studying for, so there isn't an incentive to provide for oneself.

[Adrestia]

[quote name='Winchester' post='1841658' date='Apr 20 2009, 05:42 PM']Should require:

1. Regular drug tests
2. Job applications regularly submitted
3. Class attendance (parenting, vo-tech, etcetera)
4. Government service (picking up trash, for instance)
5. Regular inspection of home, if government assistance applies to housing
6. Minimum grades for children in school of C average or better

Why should welfare be free?[/quote]
May I suggest an addition?

7. It cannot be inherited. For those who grow up on welfare, rather than learning dependence as a way of life, they learn to be self-sufficient.

[BG45]

[quote name='tgoldson' post='1843967' date='Apr 22 2009, 10:31 PM']May I suggest an addition?

7. It cannot be inherited. For those who grow up on welfare, rather than learning dependence as a way of life, they learn to be self-sufficient.[/quote]

Amen! In my state we have third and soon fourth generation welfare families. Mom used to give her students an assignment called "What I want to be when I grow up", at least until one answered, "Poor, because then people give you all you could ever want!" Dad sat on the bus one day when one fifteen year old was telling another fifteen year old how to get pregnant and get benefits.

[Winchester]

[quote name='fidei defensor' post='1843184' date='Apr 21 2009, 10:36 PM']I agree with those requirements. Maybe not so strongly with the drug testing, perhaps only for those with a history of drug use. Otherwise reasonable.[/quote]
I don't have a history of drug use, but I submit to random tests as a condition of employment. The idea both to catch drug users and to make welfare more of an inconvenience than having a job. Currently, for too many, it isn't.

[Winchester]

[quote name='VoTeckam' post='1843418' date='Apr 22 2009, 09:56 AM']I'd take issue with number 2. Does that apply to all adults in the house? What if I mother needs to stay home with a child?[/quote]
Someone needs to get a wage. If they have to figure out a coop to watch kids for each other, then so be it. People need to figure out how to work around the problems they have. They have no problem figuring out how to get grandparents to raise their kids while they party, but when a job is involved, they cite needing to take care of their kids.

The government doesn't owe people a living. It's just in the government's interest to reduce poverty. And it doesn't owe them solutions to their problems.