kafka Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Some scientists have claimed to have developed a better and safer way to develop stem cells from adult skin cells. Here is the article: [url="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124052511315450037.html"]http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124052511315450037.html[/url] "California scientists have found a new technique for "reprogramming" adult skin cells, so that the cells mimic the ability of embryonic stem cells for developing into different sorts of body tissue. Although the promising results in medical research using stem cells have come almost exclusively from studies using adult stem cells, scientists continue to seek support for embryonic stem-cell research because the embryonic cells are more adaptable. The prospect of making adult cells equally adaptable could eliminate the argument for destructive embryo research." This could be a major develepment in ethical stem cell research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rose wrought of iron Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 But wasn't this what that guy on Oprah was talking about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_eye222001 Posted April 26, 2009 Share Posted April 26, 2009 Yep. And Oprah didn't like it and buried it on her website. There was a thread on Open Mic on this. ---------------- Now playing: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/the+killers/track/somebody+told+me"]The Killers - Somebody Told Me[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 (edited) This is really old news. However, people are hiding it for whatever reason. It is not only safer but more effective. Thank you for bringing it up again. It NEEDS to be advocated and gotten out there. Edited April 27, 2009 by picchick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 So what are the objections to these better methods from the pro-murder side of the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafka Posted April 27, 2009 Author Share Posted April 27, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1849663' date='Apr 27 2009, 12:30 AM']So what are the objections to these better methods from the pro-murder side of the table?[/quote] spite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kafka Posted April 27, 2009 Author Share Posted April 27, 2009 [quote name='kafka' post='1849678' date='Apr 27 2009, 12:39 AM']spite.[/quote] just kidding, but one has to wonder. Maybe picchick knows more about the pro-murder response to this sort of research. One gets the sense that destroying embryonic stem cells and claiming that they cause cures is used to justify abortion on their side, which of course is malicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 Spite seems like the only answer these days. Maybe it's more expensive or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 [quote name='kafka' post='1849689' date='Apr 27 2009, 12:46 AM']just kidding, but one has to wonder. Maybe picchick knows more about the pro-murder response to this sort of research. One gets the sense that destroying embryonic stem cells and claiming that they cause cures is used to justify abortion on their side, which of course is malicious.[/quote] I don't know. I would have to agree with you because I do not see any other reason. Just plain spite. Adult Stems cells are PROVEN to be more effective...safer. Embryonic is not. There have been cases in the Middle East and in Russia where deadly tumors arose from the use of embryonic stem cell use. My other thought is that they want to MAKE embryonic stem cells work. They know that Adult stem cells will work...now they want to figure out a way to make embryonic stem cells work. However, we are in a recession...we are complaining about the cost of health care...how to get health care to people...and yet the President wants to pour money into researching something that does not work rather than something that will work. How many lives will be saved using adult stem cells now rather than waiting for embroyonic stem cell efficacy? How much will people's quality of life increase now rather than waiting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1849694' date='Apr 27 2009, 12:50 AM']Spite seems like the only answer these days. Maybe it's more expensive or something...[/quote] This might be it. You have the issue of needing donors. Embryos are a dime a dozen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihil Obstat Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1849708' date='Apr 26 2009, 11:56 PM']This might be it. You have the issue of needing donors. Embryos are a dime a dozen.[/quote] Let's set up a Phatmass skin drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1849708' date='Apr 27 2009, 01:56 AM']This might be it. You have the issue of needing donors. Embryos are a dime a dozen.[/quote] The patient's own skin cells are used, so that's not even an issue. Of course, all this stuff is in development, and I don't think there are reports yet of successful treatments from stem cells developed out of skin cells. They have to take it one step at a time and R&D is always a slow process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiyoung Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 I think the issue is money. The problem with ESCR is the same as with organ donation--it's foreign tissue so you have to find a way to make the cells unrejectable. The scientist who can figure out the process to do that is going to be rich. With adult stem cell research, there are plenty of cures but no profit. It's disgusting how much the health care system is controlled by greed. I think perfecting the technique for using skin cells is something similar--money is involved--but without the ethical qualms. Using existing adult stem cells doesn't make any money. Another thing: cord blood cells? They've been proven to be incredibly effective, and because it's from a newborn the cells are also pretty young and I think almost totipotent (could be wrong). Think of how many babies are born in a day--if you are able to store all that and have a worldwide database, you're guaranteed to be able to find a match. The problem with organ donation (and bone marrow donation) is that there aren't enough people willing to donate, so there's not a lot of selection. Matches are harder to come by because there's less to match with. However, with cord blood banks, there would be tons of options, and the more selection you have, the better your chances are of finding a match. However, again, there's no money in this--only cures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1849962' date='Apr 27 2009, 10:33 AM']The patient's own skin cells are used, so that's not even an issue. Of course, all this stuff is in development, and I don't think there are reports yet of successful treatments from stem cells developed out of skin cells. They have to take it one step at a time and R&D is always a slow process.[/quote] I am not talking about the treatment phase yet. I am talking research phase still. To get donors for that. I do not know of successful treatments from adult stem cells. I do know of unsuccessful treatments from embryonic stem cells. I do know that there have been sucessful breakthroughs using adult stem cells. Where do you put your money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rizz_loves_jesus Posted April 27, 2009 Share Posted April 27, 2009 [quote name='picchick' post='1849661' date='Apr 27 2009, 12:28 AM']This is really old news. However, people are hiding it for whatever reason. It is not only safer but more effective.[/quote] [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1849663' date='Apr 27 2009, 12:30 AM']So what are the objections to these better methods from the pro-murder side of the table?[/quote] I think it's more that they desperately want to prove to themselves that abortion can ever be good, so they are against anything that could prove that wrong. ---------------- Now playing: [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/paul+mccartney/track/listen+to+what+the+man+said"]Paul McCartney - Listen to What the Man Said[/url] via [url="http://www.foxytunes.com/signatunes/"]FoxyTunes[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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