Notre Dame Boards Receiving 300,000 Signatures

[Lounge Daddy]

Bravo! More good news coming from this disgusting travesty. We are seeing that there are Catholics who still demand Catholicism from these institutions that claim to represent our faith.

Let's keep holding their feet to the fire.

[url="http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=15822"]Entire article at [i]CNA News[/i]:[/url]

[indent]Manassas, Va., Apr 29, 2009 / 05:11 pm (CNA).- Today the Cardinal Newman Society is delivering the first 300,000 names of Catholics who have signed their petition opposing Notre Dame’s decision to have President Obama deliver its commencement address and grant him an honorary degree.

The Cardinal Newman Society, whose mission consists of “renewing and strengthening” America’s 224 Catholic colleges, started the petition at NotreDameScandal.com to oppose President John Jenkins’, C.S.C., invitation to Obama on the grounds that it violates the U.S. Catholic Bishop’s teaching on Catholics in Political life.

Since the petition was started, nearly 9,000 people per day have added their name to the list, resulting in the current total of 344,000.[/indent]

[thessalonian]

This is good. I signed. Great to know my signature is headed to Rome. This has turned in to quite the fiasco. Donations are starting to be pulled as well. I heard 10 million today. Probably not alot for Notre Dame but I'm guessing if this goes through more will be pulled. There are now over 50 bishops who have spoken out against this. I think Jenkins is probably thinking he made a mistake by now.

[Hilde]

What did they want to honor him for?

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Hilde' post='1852653' date='Apr 29 2009, 08:42 PM']What did they want to honor him for?[/quote]

Cause he's rock star cool.

[unloud]

During his 100th day confrence Obama was asked about the Notre Dame controversy:

[quote][i]Q: Thank you, Mr. President. In a couple of weeks, you're going to be giving the commencement at Notre Dame. And, as you know, this has caused a lot of controversy among Catholics who are opposed to your position on abortion.

As a candidate, you vowed that one of the very things you wanted to do was sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which, as you know, would eliminate federal, state and local restrictions on abortion. And at one point in the campaign when asked about abortion and life, you said that it was above — quote, above my pay grade.

Now that you've been president for 100 days, obviously, your pay grade is a little higher than when you were a senator.

Do you still hope that Congress quickly sends you the Freedom of Choice Act so you can sign it?
[/i]
[b]OBAMA: You know, the — my view on — on abortion, I think, has been very consistent. I think abortion is a moral issue and an ethical issue.

I think that those who are pro-choice make a mistake when they — if they suggest — and I don't want to create straw men here, but I think there are some who suggest that this is simply an issue about women's freedom and that there's no other considerations. I think, look, this is an issue that people have to wrestle with and families and individual women have to wrestle with.

The reason I'm pro-choice is because I don't think women take that — that position casually. I think that they struggle with these decisions each and every day. And I think they are in a better position to make these decisions ultimately than members of Congress or a president of the United States, in consultation with their families, with their doctors, with their clergy.

So — so that has been my consistent position. The other thing that I said consistently during the campaign is I would like to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies that result in women feeling compelled to get an abortion, or at least considering getting an abortion, particularly if we can reduce the number of teen pregnancies, which has started to spike up again.

And so I've got a task force within the Domestic Policy Council in the West Wing of the White House that is working with groups both in the pro-choice camp and in the pro-life camp, to see if we can arrive at some consensus on that.

Now, the Freedom of Choice Act is not highest legislative priority. I believe that women should have the right to choose. But I think that the most important thing we can do to tamp down some of the anger surrounding this issue is to focus on those areas that we can agree on. And that's — that's where I'm going to focus.[/b][/quote]

Source: [url="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5i1P9NpsaoSA1i90w91eoA3oXq1OwD97SGVI00"]http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/articl...oXq1OwD97SGVI00[/url]

Edited April 30, 2009 by unloud

[reelguy227]

I still don't get why the Church doesn't strip Notre Dame and institutions like it of their Catholic status. It just baffles and angers me at the same time.

At least do something against Notre Dame. Because by inviting Obama to speak, the school is legitimizing his position on abortion and making it look like the Church is lukewarm in regards to his position. Thus giving Americans the wrong idea about how the Church views Obama's conflicting viewpoints with hers. Why hasn't the Pope at least spoken out? That would be a good kick in the rear end, don't you guys think?

I'm just so disgusted that Notre Dame would so such a thing, and really wish the Church would flex its muscle and take a stand against the University in a very astute and to the point manner. This kind of stuff can't be tolerated. It crosses the line.

[dUSt]

Obama's answer baffles me, because he acknowledges that it is a moral issue--and not solely an issue of women's rights. So, basically, he's siding on the pro-choice side despite it's moral implications.

I'd respect him more if he was pro-choice because he believed that it did not have moral implications--because at least it would be justifiable.

[b]But to acknowledge the morality of it and STILL be pro-choice!? That's evil.[/b]

[DevotedtoHim]

He is a horror to our country. I pray for his true conversion.

[Hilde]

I don't get it. Is he first saying that this is just not about women's freedom, and next saying the state should not decide? Even though you'd talk with your family and clergy or whatever about it, you'd still have full freedom if the state doesn't interfere. Or maybe I misunderstood what he said.

[eagle_eye222001]

The Church cannot do much right now. However, I'm pretty sure they are aware of the implications of such an event, and I believe there will be actions to prevent this from sliding further or happening again.

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[CatherineM]

[quote name='Hilde' post='1853365' date='Apr 30 2009, 01:47 PM']I don't get it. Is he first saying that this is just not about women's freedom, and next saying the state should not decide? Even though you'd talk with your family and clergy or whatever about it, you'd still have full freedom if the state doesn't interfere. Or maybe I misunderstood what he said.[/quote]

He's a politician that will literally say anything to get elected, and also say anything to make the people who financed his win happy. That can cause some conflicts. To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure if he has ever really had an original opinion. That's the problem with career politicians. People who have had lives before seeking office have had the opportunity to develop their own personality and character before becoming a puppet.

[LouisvilleFan]

[quote name='Hilde' post='1852653' date='Apr 29 2009, 10:42 PM']What did they want to honor him for?[/quote]

I'm under the impression Notre Dame invites every President to give a commencement speech. Can't say I recall if Bush was ever invited or given an honorary degree, but I did read that there was a similar fiasco (though maybe not as big as this one) over Clinton speaking in the early 90s.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1853469' date='Apr 30 2009, 02:53 PM']I'm under the impression Notre Dame invites every President to give a commencement speech. Can't say I recall if Bush was ever invited or given an honorary degree, but I did read that there was a similar fiasco (though maybe not as big as this one) over Clinton speaking in the early 90s.[/quote]

That does bring up a good point that I do try to make when discussing this stuff. We are marshaling all this effort now, and think of how different things could be now if we tried this hard back when Roe vs. Wade first came down. We have a whole generation who was born after Roe vs. Wade that can't remember a time when abortion was illegal. In another generation, gay marriage will be considered normal because it is the only way kids born today can remember it being. Will we also consider speaking out on moral issues as hate crimes? So when someone asks why we should bother protesting something like embryonic stem cell or assisted suicide, we must remember that if those become ordinary, then the next step is designer embryos created just to grow replacement organs, or involuntary euthanasia. We can't let any battle, even the smallest, go by without marshaling all available assets. It is a well known understanding in military planning that the longer you allow an adversary to prepare for a battle, the more casualties you will experience when you do decide to attack.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1853469' date='Apr 30 2009, 02:53 PM']I'm under the impression Notre Dame invites every President to give a commencement speech. Can't say I recall if Bush was ever invited or given an honorary degree, but I did read that there was a similar fiasco (though maybe not as big as this one) over Clinton speaking in the early 90s.[/quote]
I am not sure, but I do not think President Clinton ever spoke here. Certainly not at a graduation. President Bush did give the commencement address once during his first term and probably got an honorary degree, but I'm not sure off the top of my head.

[mcts]

[quote name='thessalonian' post='1852626' date='Apr 29 2009, 09:10 PM']This is good. I signed. Great to know my signature is headed to Rome. This has turned in to quite the fiasco. Donations are starting to be pulled as well. I heard 10 million today. Probably not alot for Notre Dame but I'm guessing if this goes through more will be pulled. There are now over 50 bishops who have spoken out against this. I think Jenkins is probably thinking he made a mistake by now.[/quote]

not to split hairs, but i'm pretty sure that your signature is headed to Indiana.