Vincent Vega Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1855166' date='May 1 2009, 11:57 PM']You really have no right to get so defensive. First, you blatantly insult the First Lady of our country - you who are a CATHOLIC on a CATHOLIC forum.[/quote] I've admitted to this - mulitple times now, actually. I have said that it was uncharitable, and that, in hindsight, I shouldn't have said it. [quote]Not only do you insult her, but the insult you used (whether intending to or not) is a racial slur.[/quote] Nope, sorry. [quote]You then seem SURPRISED when a handful of members express their disgust.[/quote] I was surprised that so many took it that way. In fact, I'd considered putting a little disclaimer in, that I was referring to her looks, and not the colour of her skin, but I assumed that people on this forum would understand that I wouldn't make a comment about someone based upon his race. I guess I was wrong. I'll assume that my words will be taken in the worst possible context from now on. [quote]Of course you attempt to brush the insult aside as if it is no big deal. I forgot to mention how YOU were "insulted" when Phil immediately pointed out the slur. Clearly you can insult whoever whenever, but heaven forbid someone insult you.[/quote] I insulted her based upon her looks. I was insulted for being branded a racist for a comment I made that I didn't intend in a racist way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1855174' date='May 2 2009, 12:02 AM']In fact, I'd considered putting a little disclaimer in, that I was referring to her looks, and not the colour of her skin, but I assumed that people on this forum would understand that I wouldn't make a comment about someone based upon his race. I guess I was wrong.[/quote] Holy croutons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1855169' date='May 1 2009, 11:58 PM']wow. Because if one black person does it, then it must be ok. Cris Rock makes thousands laugh as he uses the n-word and all sorts of racist language. So I tell you what. Next time your hanging out with some black people you don't know, why don't you go into a loud, shrill explination about the difference between "black people and n******". After all, a black comedian does and and everyone laughs, so it prolly won't be offensive when you do it.[/quote] Not the same. [quote name='Hassan' post='1855172' date='May 2 2009, 12:01 AM']The sad thing is I read that before Phil and asked him about it, but didn;t really follow up. I assumed I was being paranoid, I assumed that I must be reading that into it as there was no was someone would actually say something that stupid and offensive on a Catholic forum. I think Phil wanted to assume that as well.[/quote] Any offense that has been taken has been in the interpretation, not in the intent. We seem to be going in circles here. I'm going to say one last time: I shouldn't have called her ugly. That was not the charitable or Christian thing to do. I was wrong, and I assure you that I will bring it up to my confessor tomorrow. If I've offended anyone by calling her ugly and implying that she had simian features, I sincerely apologise to you. I will not apologise for others assuming that I'd somehow made a racist comment, though, because I most certainly did not intended my statement to mean that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1855174' date='May 2 2009, 01:02 AM']I was surprised that so many took it that way. In fact, I'd considered putting a little disclaimer in, that I was referring to her looks, and not the colour of her skin, but I assumed that people on this forum would understand that I wouldn't make a comment about someone based upon his race. I guess I was wrong. I'll assume that my words will be taken in the worst possible context from now on. I insulted her based upon her looks. I was insulted for being branded a racist for a comment I made that I didn't intend in a racist way.[/quote] If you did NOT want your comment to be taken in a racist way, you should NOT have used a popular racial slur as your insult. That is the bottom line. [quote]I'll assume that my words will be taken in the worst possible context from now on.[/quote] So ridiculous, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 (edited) [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1855188' date='May 2 2009, 01:09 AM']If you did NOT want your comment to be taken in a racist way, you should NOT have used a popular racial slur as your insult. That is the bottom line.[/quote] I was unaware that monkey was [i]so [/i]commonly connoted to mean black people. After all, as pointed out, people referred to GWB as a monkey quite often. I was under the impression that what was good for the goose was good for the gander. [quote]So ridiculous, by the way.[/quote] If that's what it takes so I won't be misunderstood... Edited May 2, 2009 by USAirwaysIHS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1855198' date='May 2 2009, 01:12 AM']I was unaware that monkey was [i]so [/i]commonly connoted to mean black people. After all, as pointed out, people referred to GWB as a monkey quite often. I was under the impression that what was good for the goose was good for the gander.[/quote] And yet you just said in Post #46 that you had thought of putting in a disclaimer so everyone understood you were not making a racial comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamiller42 Posted May 2, 2009 Author Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='TotusTuusMaria' post='1854859' date='May 1 2009, 11:05 PM']I don't have a problem with her spending money on her clothing. If she can afford the shoes and she wants to put her money toward it... that is fine. By her buying the shoes she is not harming me or the American people.[/quote] Didn't the entire Palin wardrobe affair teach you that to be in touch with real Americans you have to wear clothes from Walmart? Those who voted for Obama taught me well. The Obamas are out of touch with all Americans except the very rich. It's that or the Obama supporters all up in arms about Palin's wardrobe were out of touch with reality? Hmm, I will have to think on this. In any case, her shoes did harm the American people. They are by a French designer and probably not made in America. Shame on you Michelle... again. "For the first time in my adult lifetime, I am really proud of my country." Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1855205' date='May 2 2009, 12:15 AM']And yet you just said in Post #46 that you had thought of putting in a disclaimer so everyone understood you were not making a racial comment.[/quote] Yes, I did. I thought that it may be misconstrued as being a racial comment - I dismissed that thought (which was clearly a mistake) because I figured that people would understand that we, in this day and age, were above cutting people down on a basis as inconsequential as skin colour. Apparently, as I said, I was wrong, and racism is so common in some areas that the only thing that comes to mind in many cases is a racial insult. I've learned that I need to very closely watch how I word things so that no quagmire like this is stirred up again. I've tried to clarify and have apologised for my actions. I'm really not sure what else you want from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1855188' date='May 2 2009, 12:09 AM']If you did NOT want your comment to be taken in a racist way, you should NOT have used a popular racial slur as your insult. That is the bottom line.[/quote] Exactly. "Hey! Is it just me or does Finkelstein look like a fat, greedy slimebag with a giant nose? I bet he can't be trusted and he and his associates probably control the banks and the media. By the way, that observation has nothing to do with the fact that he's Jewish" Do you see, US, why even if I say it has nothing to do with him being a Jew that might still be a horribly offensive thing to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1855213' date='May 2 2009, 01:21 AM']I dismissed that thought (which was clearly a mistake) because I figured that people would understand that we, in this day and age, were above cutting people down on a basis as inconsequential as skin colour. Apparently, as I said, I was wrong, and racism is so common in some areas that the only thing that comes to mind in many cases is a racial insult.[/quote] So the blame falls on us for interpreting "monkey" in connection with an African American woman to be a racial slur. Just checking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1855218' date='May 2 2009, 12:27 AM']So the blame falls on us for interpreting "monkey" in connection with an African American woman to be a racial slur. Just checking.[/quote] oh course. Next time someone tells us a Japanese man looks kind of like a Yellowish rat with giant buck teeth we should be sure not to draw any racist connotations from this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent Vega Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 (edited) [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1855218' date='May 2 2009, 01:27 AM']So the blame falls on us for interpreting "monkey" in connection with an African American woman to be a racial slur. Just checking.[/quote] We've already discussed this. HCF: [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1855213' date='May 2 2009, 12:21 AM']I'm really not sure what else you want from me.[/quote] If there's something I can do to rectify this whole thing to you, say it. Otherwise, it seems an awful lot like we're just beating a dead subject matter here. Edited May 2, 2009 by USAirwaysIHS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamiller42 Posted May 2, 2009 Author Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1855223' date='May 2 2009, 01:29 AM']oh course. Next time someone tells us a Japanese man looks kind of like a Yellowish rat with giant buck teeth we should be sure not to draw any racist connotations from this.[/quote] Ignore me. I know. My clothes my look too good or be too expensive and therefore not a real American in your book. So, ignoring me is justified I guess. I have one question: Are you going to post every possible racial epithet to make a point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1855233' date='May 2 2009, 01:36 AM']We've already discussed this. HCF: If there's something I can do to rectify this whole thing to you, say it. Otherwise, it seems an awful lot like we're just beating a dead subject matter here.[/quote] You don't owe her, me, or anyone here anything. I guess some sort of admission woud be the honorable thing to do but if you honestly can't see anything wrong here then why not just let it go and be more careful in the future about insults approximating racial slurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 2, 2009 Share Posted May 2, 2009 Well I do appreciate the apology. I am going to bed now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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