Behold! Hassan Brings Great Gifts!

[Hassan]

[quote name='apparently' post='1856419' date='May 3 2009, 09:45 AM']"profane" and "profanity" has therefore come to describe a word, expression, gesture, or other social behavior which is socially constructed or interpreted as insulting, rude and vulgar or desecrating or showing disrespect.[/quote]


I actually might find them interesting

[kafka]

so the Hassan is back. Something tells me we may need to start a new subcategory just for him.

btw I'm curious what silly things does Pope Benedict believe? That statement struck me as odd. If you think he believes in silly things, you must misunderstand something.

Just my feeling.

Edited May 3, 2009 by kafka

[kafka]

I'm watching the Nasr lecture now.

Interesting. I wonder who the Catholic representative was at that conference, if there was one.

[kafka]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1856097' date='May 2 2009, 11:27 PM']A Common Word by Seyyed Hossein Nasr

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY63ohsftV4"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY63ohsftV4[/url][/quote]
I can tell Nasr has a great mind. I'm enjoying his lecture.

I wish there were lectures of Rahner and Heidegger on youtube. How cool would that be?

[Hassan]

[quote name='kafka' post='1856606' date='May 3 2009, 04:30 PM']I can tell Nasr has a great mind. I'm enjoying his lecture.

I wish there were lectures of Rahner and Heidegger on youtube. How cool would that be?[/quote]


Yeah, but he's a buys into Perennial philosophy which I find silly. But Nasr is brilliant. A genius in fact. And not just in the humanities, he graduated from MIT with honors studying physics and matheamtics, and then got a doctorate I think in geophysics from harvard. He choose geophysics because he had become disallusioned with physics after a talk with Bertrand Russell and wanted to stuy a more descriptive science before going into his passion of Persian Islamic Philosophy. So he has an encylopedic and functional knowledge of the abstract and physical sciences as well as modern and traditional philosophy. Which makes me wonder if my initial discounting of his beliefs as silly is due to intelectual short comming on my part.

As to Heidegger I know Herbert Dreyfus has the audi from his class at Berkely on I-Tunes (I'm always looking for things to listen to while at the gym) if you are interested.

[kafka]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1856690' date='May 3 2009, 07:04 PM']Yeah, but he's a buys into Perennial philosophy which I find silly. As to Heidegger I know Herbert Dreyfus has the audi from his class at Berkely on I-Tunes (I'm always looking for things to listen to while at the gym) if you are interested.[/quote]
I saw Nasr's resume. Impressive.

What aspect of perennial philosophy do you find silly? I havent studied it in depth but I think there is some truth to it.

No I-Tunes, besides I dont understand German I would need subtitles. Though I did find a couple of interesting youtubes of him speaking if you want I will find them.

[Hassan]

[quote name='kafka' post='1856702' date='May 3 2009, 06:21 PM']I saw Nasr's resume. Impressive.

What aspect of perennial philosophy do you find silly? I havent studied it in depth but I think there is some truth to it.[/quote]

Honestly all I mean by "silly" is personally counterintuitive. I'm going to study perennialism as well as Ghazali and Illuminative philsophy, basically the whole Persian Islamic philosophical tradition over the summer.

The Library of Living Philosophers did one on Nasr, if you want to know more about Perennialism he goes into it a good deal there. It's about a thousand pages (I'm going to finish it this summer as well)



[quote]No I-Tunes, besides I dont understand German I would need subtitles. Though I did find a couple of interesting youtubes of him speaking if you want I will find them.[/quote]

It's in English. But if you don't have I Tunes I'm not sure there is anyway to get at them.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaGk6S1qhz0&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaGk6S1qhz0...feature=related[/url]

[kafka]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1856910' date='May 3 2009, 10:53 PM']It's in English. But if you don't have I Tunes I'm not sure there is anyway to get at them.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaGk6S1qhz0&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaGk6S1qhz0...feature=related[/url][/quote]
silly=counterintuitive

I see.

So when does your sabbatical officially end?

Thank you for the Dreyfus presentation.

I'm watching it now.

[kafka]

[quote name='kafka' post='1857272' date='May 4 2009, 02:06 AM']Thank you for the Dreyfus presentation.

I'm watching it now.[/quote]
I like Dreyfus. I just finished the first segment. You see that is what is brilliant about Heidegger he discovered the ground of being which is not first directed toward objects, no the ground of being is not directed at all, it is open. Rahner takes Heideggers ideas even further and concludes that the ground of being in its unlimited capacity of knowing and freedom is designed for the very reason of being open to the source of the ground which he calls the holy mystery (God).

Which just now strikes me as making perfect sense and is fitting since God is not an object. A finite existent cannot be directed toward an Infinite Being otherwise that finite existent would actually be the Infinite Being since the power to go toward the Infinite would be in his essence. No, he can only be open to that Infinite Being, and by being open he may only be capable to recieve the self-communication of that Infinite Being as a free and gratuitous gift.

O.k. on to part two.

Edited May 4, 2009 by kafka

[kafka]

The third aspect termed 'goal' of Heidegger's three-fold structure of Dasein fits in perfectly with the idea of a human being in the mode of justifying grace moving in space/time toward fulfillment of immediate vision of God.

A human being has two fundamental phases of existance (these of some of my philosophic/theological ideas):

one: movement in space/time when the mode of justifying grace becomes in a dark/uncertain experience of God's self-communication.

two: fulfillment of Eternity as the mode of justifying grace is definitve in perfect clarified experience of God's immediate vision.

Rahner would call my phase one as moving or becoming in the goal. I would call it something like concretizing or actualizing the goal where all good acts eventually become definitve 'statements' or crystalizations in the goal.

Edited May 4, 2009 by kafka

[kafka]

two of Dreyfus' free webcast lectures:

Man, God, and Society in Western Literature:
[url="http://webcast.berkeley.edu/course_details.php?seriesid=1906978407"]http://webcast.berkeley.edu/course_details...esid=1906978407[/url]

Heidegger
[url="http://webcast.berkeley.edu/course_details.php?seriesid=1906978475"]http://webcast.berkeley.edu/course_details...esid=1906978475[/url]

Once you finish your sabbatical we should start that dialogue thread where we can throw out in the open ideas, links, etc. It could be like an everything thread.

[kafka]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1856910' date='May 3 2009, 10:53 PM']The Library of Living Philosophers did one on Nasr, if you want to know more about Perennialism he goes into it a good deal there. It's about a thousand pages (I'm going to finish it this summer as well)[/quote]
just wanted to bump this since you might be gone this week.

I checked my central library and sadly they dont have the Nasr volume available, which is unfortunate since I am intrigued by him. Maybe I'll try one of his own works this summer or perhaps I might read Hubert Dreyfus' commentary on Being and Time. I also want to peruse some of Rahner's Theological Investigations. There are something like 20+ volumes.

Too much to read.

[Hassan]

[quote name='kafka' post='1858170' date='May 5 2009, 12:07 AM']just wanted to bump this since you might be gone this week.

I checked my central library and sadly they dont have the Nasr volume available, which is unfortunate since I am intrigued by him. Maybe I'll try one of his own works this summer or perhaps I might read Hubert Dreyfus' commentary on Being and Time. I also want to peruse some of Rahner's Theological Investigations. There are something like 20+ volumes.

Too much to read.[/quote]


I think Dreyfus might recomend you go with Willam Blatner's commentary.

I was reading it until I lost it, great book.

As for Nasr, yeah. I'd read some stuff by him. He's an interesting cat and I respect that.

[princessgianna]

[kafka]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1862320' date='May 9 2009, 01:16 AM']I think Dreyfus might recomend you go with Willam Blatner's commentary.

I was reading it until I lost it, great book.[/quote]
Interesting. William Blatner was one of Dreyfus' students. He would recommend a work other than his own on the same basic subject by someone he once taught. This is a sign of true humility. I've also noticed a genuine humility about him in his lectures.
[quote name='princessgianna' post='1862327' date='May 9 2009, 01:24 AM'][/quote]
you get the fish.