Same Sex, Opposite Sex, What's Next?

[Theologian in Training]

[quote name='AdAltareDei' post='1862479' date='May 9 2009, 04:35 AM']How can you compare the "marriage" of two consenting adults to that of a person and an inanimate object or a pet.

Allowing homosexuals to "marry" doesn't logically lead to allowing different species to marry eachother.[/quote]

No, but it opens the door to it.

When marriage becomes non-sacramental and even moves away from the "traditional" male/female model, it then becomes an outward sign of an expression of "love," it is minimized to its "base value." If it is merely only an expression of love, then anything you love can be married. The fact that God gave us the command to be "fruitful and multiply" no longer applies, and, in fact, the "marital act" is a frustration of God's design.

God gave us all the ability to procreate, that is, He gave us all the ability to partake in the act of creation itself, with the end result, being a child. In other words, a male and a female loved each other and the child is an expression of that coming together in love. Anything that impedes that frustrates God's design and, even more so, takes a beautiful gift and uses it for itself.

Once we realize that we are created by God, accept that fact, then we also realize, fundamentally, that we have no right to act as though we are the ones in control, because we are not. Normally, when we are given a gift we use it how it is to be used. If I was given a book as a gift and took it and started hitting myself over the head with it, while it is a "use" for the book, it is not what it was designed for.

I know many disagree with the Church's stance on homosexual marriage, but it is not the Church making the decision for everyone else, it was God who made the decision when He created us.

[AdAltareDei]

[quote name='Theologian in Training' post='1862582' date='May 9 2009, 08:11 AM']No, but it opens the door to it.

When marriage becomes non-sacramental and even moves away from the "traditional" male/female model, it then becomes an outward sign of an expression of "love," it is minimized to its "base value." If it is merely only an expression of love, then anything you love can be married. The fact that God gave us the command to be "fruitful and multiply" no longer applies, and, in fact, the "marital act" is a frustration of God's design.

God gave us all the ability to procreate, that is, He gave us all the ability to partake in the act of creation itself, with the end result, being a child. In other words, a male and a female loved each other and the child is an expression of that coming together in love. Anything that impedes that frustrates God's design and, even more so, takes a beautiful gift and uses it for itself.

Once we realize that we are created by God, accept that fact, then we also realize, fundamentally, that we have no right to act as though we are the ones in control, because we are not. Normally, when we are given a gift we use it how it is to be used. If I was given a book as a gift and took it and started hitting myself over the head with it, while it is a "use" for the book, it is not what it was designed for.

I know many disagree with the Church's stance on homosexual marriage, but it is not the Church making the decision for everyone else, it was God who made the decision when He created us.[/quote]

No see, I think the arguments you recounted above are far better when arguing against sam sex marriage. The purpose of sex being procreation especially.

I wasn't criticizing arguments against SS marriage, just one in particular.
I don't think anyones going to take someone seriously if they believe the next logical step after legalizing "marriage" between two adults is legalizing cross-species relationships. By analogy I could say "we should never have given up on slavery. Give the Negroes their freedom and whats next? Not being able to use horses for labour?"

I just think that argument in particular is very poor and only makes Christians look foolish.

[homeschoolmom]

So the whole childhood quip of "I love french fries" "Why don't you marry them?" takes on a whole new dimension.

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1862318' date='May 9 2009, 07:12 AM']What's good for the goose...[/quote]

Rather, what's good for two geese is good for three geese and a gander.

[Theologian in Training]

[quote name='AdAltareDei' post='1862607' date='May 9 2009, 11:37 AM']No see, I think the arguments you recounted above are far better when arguing against sam sex marriage. The purpose of sex being procreation especially.

I wasn't criticizing arguments against SS marriage, just one in particular.
I don't think anyones going to take someone seriously if they believe the next logical step after legalizing "marriage" between two adults is legalizing cross-species relationships. By analogy I could say "we should never have given up on slavery. Give the Negroes their freedom and whats next? Not being able to use horses for labour?"

I just think that argument in particular is very poor and only makes Christians look foolish.[/quote]

When you define marriage in broader base then it opens the door to redefine marriage altogether. Homosexuality, for a long time, remained on the fringe, now it is starting to be recognized as a "valid" life choice. Beastiality is on that same fringe, what happens when people want recognition for that?

Will it happen? Who knows? Can it happen? Stranger things certainly have.

[Resurrexi]

Sodomical "marriages" are actual more evil than polygamy. Polygamy was licit for the patriarchs, while sodomy was never licit.

[Tab'le De'Bah-Rye]

Peace,
Sorry i'm a simple man on all this, marriage is an age old bridge betweenman and women, although i don't hate homo-sexuals, if your knocking on the back door you better not be knocking on the front door, that goes for anyone. BI-sexuality is WRONG, homosexuality is written in a book by john elderidge, although i don't agree with half the book as men and women whom feel somewhat less of a women or man due to the so called " what it is to be a women, or what it is to be a man" and that there seeking that masculanity in a man or femininity in a women but can never find it and that is why the homo-sexual part of society are often bouncung form partner to partner, especially the men, and marriage is not suddenly going to fix that.