Archaeology cat Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 [quote name='ReinnieR' post='1868045' date='May 15 2009, 08:00 PM']It would be Lt. Ducane. Braxton has already been arrested for crimes he's going to commit[/quote] I couldn't remember that guy's name. So, the [i]Relativity [/i]it is. We may watch Caretaker tonight. Or finish watching Time and Again. (My husband owns all of Voyager, so we watch it quite a bit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReinnieR Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 i couldn't remember either. Good thing there's memory alpha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 [quote name='Aloysius' post='1862566' date='May 9 2009, 08:03 AM']I sat in my seat at the end, absolutely satisfied with the brilliance of the whole movie, but all I could say was "I can't believe they didn't fix the time line!!!"[/quote] And then the ending would have been Kirk stepping out of the sonic shower and Spock saying "It was all a dream!" (80's TV series reference). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Makes since to me why they rebooted it. Decades of Star Trek canon strongly ties the hands of writers, and would make a prequel somewhat boring and predictable to viewers. The movie was awesome, a sequel may very well fix the time line. But this reboot makes it possible to give rebirth to the whole Star Trek Universe. If fans want the same old story then boot up your DVD player and watch the old time line canon. Seriously you can only tell the same fictional story over and over and over again for so long. You either reboot it or let it die. "I mean, for crying out loud, it's just a TV show!" William Shatner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Archaeology cat Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 [quote name='ReinnieR' post='1868089' date='May 15 2009, 09:25 PM']i couldn't remember either. Good thing there's memory alpha.[/quote] Yep, Memory Alpha comes in handy a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReinnieR Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 [quote name='Archaeology cat' post='1868576' date='May 16 2009, 03:22 AM']Yep, Memory Alpha comes in handy a lot.[/quote] i go with wikipedia too. i don't look at memory beta though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' post='1863460' date='May 10 2009, 09:41 AM']I would have gone for Ms. Nichols, career be damned.[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 So some questions regarding how the Trek universe plays out now in this alt.reality: [spoiler]So with Future Spock in the picture now, and apparently not having many scruples for temporal prime directives by giving them advanced transporter formulas...what else might he do? Up-tech the Federation? Warn them of certain planets to avoid or quarantine? Warn them of the Borg and Dominion? Etc. How does the Federation develop without the moderating influence of Vulcans everywhere?[/spoiler] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 [quote name='BG45' post='1868629' date='May 16 2009, 07:57 AM']So some questions regarding how the Trek universe plays out now in this alt.reality: [spoiler]So with Future Spock in the picture now, and apparently not having many scruples for temporal prime directives by giving them advanced transporter formulas...what else might he do? Up-tech the Federation? Warn them of certain planets to avoid or quarantine? Warn them of the Borg and Dominion? Etc. How does the Federation develop without the moderating influence of Vulcans everywhere?[/spoiler][/quote] good questions.. sounds like the stuff of future movies/tv shows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MithLuin Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 Well [spoiler]Future!Spock is very old, so I don't know how many years he has remaining. He seemed to imply that he is going to stick around and help preserve what can be preserved of Vulcan culture, freeing up Young!Spock to go gallivanting around on the Enterprise. Future!Spock certainly feels guilty about what happened - this was all his fault - so he will do what he can to rectify the situation. He is not going to just remain an 'observer', but his interference may not be in a manner we would predict. [/spoiler] The fact that anything can happen does free up the franchise for new stories, but I agree that it a larger step into the alternate realities of comic book worlds than Star Trek has taken up to this point. Granted, Trek has always had plenty of alternate realities and time travel going on - it's just that this change is much more significant and seemingly permanent. Tasha Yarr's half-Romulan daughter, anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Vinny Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 (edited) Clarification: Everything that happened in Universe Prime[sup]*[/sup] (the [i]Star Trek[/i] universe we all had become accustomed to) [i]still happened.[/i] The events in one timeline do not impact the events of another, unless there is some sort of anomaly bring the two universes together (think of "Mirror, Mirror" from the classic series--the Mirror universe would have gone one existing, Spock's goatee and all, even if Kirk Prime hadn't been transported there by accident[sup]**[/sup]). The break from the Prime timeline gave the writers and producers freedom to tell new stories both now and in future movies/TV series without having to rely too much on established [i]Trek[/i] continuity. I prefer to think of Universe Prime as having been "archived," rather than wiped away. The storytellers believed that they were perhaps running out of stories to tell. They could've thrown their hands up altogether and went on to other things. It is to our benefit that Paramount found someone who had a strong enough vision to not only keep [i]Trek[/i] from perishing, but refresh it as well. [i]*Labeled such by myself in response to Leonard Nimoy being credited as "Spock Prime" in the new movie's credits. **There are discrepancies as to how time-travel works in the [/i]Star Trek[i] universe. For example, the classic episode "The City on of Forever" seems to indicate that one inhabits the universe in which whatever changes effected by time travel have occurred, since the [i]Enterprise[/i] disappeared after McCoy had gone back in time. Since there are several instances of parallel universe stories (e.g., the aforementioned Mirror universe, the universe in which Tasha Yar served aboard a wartime [/i]Enterprise[i]-D in "Yesterday's Enterprise"), it would seem the Guardian of Forever is itself an anomaly, in that the field allows those in proximity to it to switch timelines as the past is altered (relative to the observer, the [/i]Enterprise[i] disappeared, but it seems more logical that it stayed put in the Prime timeline while Kirk, Spock and McCoy moved to the timeline created by McCoy's interference in Edith Keeler's death). I feel nerdy just thinking about this stuff and, yes, I've kissed a girl.[/i] Edited May 18, 2009 by Brother Vinny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='Brother Vinny' post='1869755' date='May 17 2009, 06:21 PM'][i]I feel nerdy just thinking about this stuff and, yes, I've kissed a girl.[/i][/quote] But did you like it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Vinny Posted May 18, 2009 Share Posted May 18, 2009 [quote name='Arpy' post='1869965' date='May 17 2009, 11:45 PM']But did you like it? [/quote] Yes. I ended up marrying a woman who was very good at it. No complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReinnieR Posted May 25, 2009 Share Posted May 25, 2009 [quote name='Innocent' post='1867058' date='May 14 2009, 09:41 AM']I hope the Star Trek universe doesn't go down that route.[/quote] me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven77 Posted May 26, 2009 Share Posted May 26, 2009 the characterizations were great... and i thought the alternative reality device was really creative... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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