Brother Adam Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 [quote name='havok579257' post='1870517' date='May 18 2009, 09:02 PM']How is this not commiting the sin of pride? Are you not suggesting that we what's better for catholic's than God does? If God only wanted communion on the toungue, would he not speak to the Pope so it would be changed?[/quote] If you in any way think it is prideful for the faithful to petition the Holy Father than you need to read more about your faith: [url="http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P2A.HTM"]http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P2A.HTM[/url] Specifically on the sense of the faithful. The laity play a proper active participatory role in their faith, including asking the Holy See to act on matters that are important to them. God speaks and works in many ways, including through his faithful people. IF the decision to allow communion on the hand has lead to a lack of reverence for God, an increase in abuses in the Catholic liturgy, and a distorted Eucharistic catechesis, then it is proper for the laity to ask for change. That is not pride. Rather, it is a practice in humility because while we are asking, we submit ourselves to the authority of the bishops, the Curia and the Holy Father and obey their decisions even when we personally disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Vinny Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I'll add my voice, even though my personal preference is to receive in the hand [i]and[/i] I understand the theological underpinnings of the reasoning that allowed for reception in the hand (after all, the very first Lord's Supper was received by hand). This has to go beyond my personal preference, though. When reports of finding hosts left on or under pews after Mass are heard, and when an atheist can desecrate the Body of Christ and YouTube the whole thing, it's clear we've made a wrong turn somewhere. So, I'm in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeresaBenedicta Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 Interesting movement. I was reflecting the other day-- I had been to a funeral where most of those present were not Catholic (it was VERY obvious, considering the majority of congregation did not kneel or even stand at the proper times), yet I saw neary everyone go up to receive (I was upset that the priest did not make an announcement..)... I was thinking that even this type of abuse would at least be lessened if the Church's policy is reception on the tongue only. It's pretty easy to figure out how to receive in the hand, but even some Catholics themselves are afraid of receiving on the tongue. If that's the only way to receive, I'm fairly certain no one who's not Catholic would even attempt to receive. But, that's off-topic a bit. This isn't a debate about which ough to be done. I'm in for a petition to the Holy Father. I think he's made it clear he's all for it, maybe he just needs to hear he has some support from the laity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 [quote name='VoTeckam' post='1870397' date='May 18 2009, 05:42 PM']It seems prideful and strange to think I know better than the Holy Father. If he believed it was an abuse to recieve on the hand then we would be recieving on the tongue alone. I trust his wisdom in this matter... he doesn't need my 2 cents.[/quote] Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiyoung Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 It seems that allowing reception of Communion in the hand came from an abuse that became so wide-spread that the Pope chose to deal with it by simply allowing it--so, it was from pressure from the people. This would be a different kind of thing--one that wouldn't be presumptuous enough to just assume the Pope's compliance, but instead asking for him to exercise his authority (therefore affirming it) and deferring to his judgment. I think such a petition to lift the indult would be much more respectful, and more Catholic, than the way we got to having Communion in the hand in the first place... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I think we should trust the Pope and not presume that we know better than him. God put him in Rome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 (edited) Jump on the traditionalist day? Nobody is even saying anything that would question their trust in the Holy Pontiff. Edited May 19, 2009 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I know in many places they don't even teach how to receive on the tongue. Personally I never have, but I make an effort prior to Mass to wash my hands in a more complete way than I do at any time of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I was trying to remember when the last time I received on the tongue, and it must have been grade school at least 35 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1870617' date='May 18 2009, 10:46 PM']Jump on the traditionalist day? Nobody is even saying anything that would question their trust in the Holy Pontiff.[/quote] Oh, there's no need to get defensive. I just made an observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 No need to get offensive thats my observation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1870625' date='May 18 2009, 10:59 PM']No need to get offensive thats my observation.[/quote] I'm being offensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted May 19, 2009 Author Share Posted May 19, 2009 [quote name='Brother Vinny' post='1870539' date='May 18 2009, 08:51 PM']I'll add my voice, even though my personal preference is to receive in the hand [i]and[/i] I understand the theological underpinnings of the reasoning that allowed for reception in the hand (after all, the very first Lord's Supper was received by hand). This has to go beyond my personal preference, though. When reports of finding hosts left on or under pews after Mass are heard, and when an atheist can desecrate the Body of Christ and YouTube the whole thing, it's clear we've made a wrong turn somewhere. So, I'm in.[/quote] The Youtube desecrations were so sad I might add, though, we have no way of knowing if the Apostles received Communion in the hand at the last supper. The Church's [b]t[/b]radition seems to favor that they received on the tongue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG45 Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1870637' date='May 19 2009, 12:18 AM']I might add, though, we have no way of knowing if the Apostles received Communion in the hand at the last supper. The Church's [b]t[/b]radition seems to favor that they received on the tongue.[/quote] If you don't mind giving a source? I've never heard that, and given they ate with their hands, and it was a Passover seder meal they were eating at the time, it just seems a bit odd. Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jiyoung Posted May 19, 2009 Share Posted May 19, 2009 I think the more relevant connection would be that though the Apostles may have received in the hand, they were also bishops--priests. Meaning those same hands would soon be confecting the Eucharist which they received for the first time that night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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