Proposal To Try To End Communion In The Hand

[goldenchild17]

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1870655' date='May 18 2009, 09:50 PM']Have your brother/sister/parent try putting a coagulated Che.ese-It on your tongue next Saturday for practice.[/quote]
A coagulated Ch[color="#000000"]ee[/color]se-it!!!! Yuck!!!

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='BG45' post='1870732' date='May 19 2009, 12:53 AM']This is just a personal opinion, but while I know you were being snarky, I don't think we can judge people's hearts. Actions most definitely, things can be inferred about a heart by those actions. However it is the Lord our God who has final say when we stand before Him on our final day.

He can find our hearts pure and grant us entry into His Kingdom, He can find our hearts lacking and send us through the time in Purgatory, or He could say unto us to go away, that He never knew us (Matt 7:23).[/quote]

I was merely making the point that, if St. Catherine of Sienna had not petitioned the Pope to return to Rome, he might still be living in Avignon today.

[BG45]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1870754' date='May 19 2009, 02:18 AM']I was merely making the point that, if St. Catherine of Sienna had not petitioned the Pope to return to Rome, he might still be living in Avignon today.[/quote]

With all due respect, the rolling eyes smilie, combined with the quotation of a person who has consistently stayed true to the Roman Catholic faith prior to your statement, belies a different intent. Or at least can easily be read as such. I apologize if that was not your intent and I merely misread you.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='BG45' post='1870618' date='May 19 2009, 03:47 AM']I know in many places they don't even teach how to receive on the tongue. Personally I never have, but I make an effort prior to Mass to wash my hands in a more complete way than I do at any time of the week.[/quote]
I was never taught how when I was converting, either. I do receive on the tongue now, though. I just watched a couple of people and then went for it. Actually, my son gave me the impetus needed to do it, since I was holding him and didn't have my hands free.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Maximilianus' post='1870647' date='May 18 2009, 11:39 PM']It's pretty easy, open your mouth and say "ahh"... just kidding don't say ahh.[/quote]
No, don't say "ahh," say "ahh-men."

[VoTeckam]

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1870533' date='May 18 2009, 09:41 PM']If you in any way think it is prideful for the faithful to petition the Holy Father than you need to read more about your faith:

[url="http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P2A.HTM"]http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P2A.HTM[/url]

Specifically on the sense of the faithful. The laity play a proper active participatory role in their faith, including asking the Holy See to act on matters that are important to them. God speaks and works in many ways, including through his faithful people. IF the decision to allow communion on the hand has lead to a lack of reverence for God, an increase in abuses in the Catholic liturgy, and a distorted Eucharistic catechesis, then it is proper for the laity to ask for change. That is not pride. Rather, it is a practice in humility because while we are asking, we submit ourselves to the authority of the bishops, the Curia and the Holy Father and obey their decisions even when we personally disagree.[/quote]


Sorry to everyone for jumping so far back in the thread but I wanted to address this post.

I completely agree that it is proper for the laity to petition the Holy Father. The paragraphs in the catechism that you cited are just as much about challenging the laity as they are about empowering the laity. The laity have a unique perspective to offer the Holy See on many matters with which we may have more direct experience. What I find odd about this particular cause is that some persume to have something to teach the Holy Father on Orthodxy of all things.

[Brother Adam]

Receiving on the tongue is not a matter of orthodoxy (though it can be because reception of the Eucharist on the hand has contributed to dissent and heterodoxy) as much as it is a matter of reverent liturgical practice. There are those who can receive on the hand reverently, but I would say that those people are few. I find, personally, that i am participating too much in the reception of Him when I receive on the hand and then place Him on my tongue. I am focused on my hands and on the action instead of on Christ and His gift to me. I find that reception on the tongue places me in a situation of humility that receiving on the hand lacks. If eliminating the reception of communion on the hand ends even a fraction of the sacrilege taking place today in church and helps even a fraction of people realize he is truly present in the Eucharist it is a worthy change. It is a change I feel our Holy Father wants to make as it is as he requires it of anyone receiving from him. I think if he knew the sheep within his Church were with him on it, it would be of great encouragement to him.

[VoTeckam]

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1870844' date='May 19 2009, 11:10 AM']Receiving on the tongue is not a matter of orthodoxy (though it can be because reception of the Eucharist on the hand has contributed to dissent and heterodoxy) as much as it is a matter of reverent liturgical practice. There are those who can receive on the hand reverently, but I would say that those people are few. I find, personally, that i am participating too much in the reception of Him when I receive on the hand and then place Him on my tongue. I am focused on my hands and on the action instead of on Christ and His gift to me. I find that reception on the tongue places me in a situation of humility that receiving on the hand lacks. If eliminating the reception of communion on the hand ends even a fraction of the sacrilege taking place today in church and helps even a fraction of people realize he is truly present in the Eucharist it is a worthy change. It is a change I feel our Holy Father wants to make as it is as he requires it of anyone receiving from him. I think if he knew the sheep within his Church were with him on it, it would be of great encouragement to him.[/quote]


Haha I am a sucker for semantics. [i][/i]Encouraging[i][/i] the Holy Father is something I can stand behind.

[StColette]

[quote name='VoTeckam' post='1870393' date='May 18 2009, 05:37 PM']The Catholic democracy? Lobbying the Holy Father makes me feel uneasy.[/quote]

lol they did it for the Dogmas of the Assumption and Immaculate Conception lol

[StColette]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1870398' date='May 18 2009, 05:43 PM']According to [i]Time[/i] magazine there was a huge movement to write petitions to the Holy Father for the definition of the Assumption. In fact, this movement was even given a blessing by the Holy Father.

[url="http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,804926,00.html"]http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,804926,00.html[/url][/quote]

Also the Immaculate Conception

[Brigid]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1870646' date='May 18 2009, 11:34 PM']I was never taught, and because of that I feel really uncomfortable suddenly deciding to do it. If I knew how, and if I had at least done it once or twice before, I think I would switch, but I was never shown. [/quote]
I was never taught, either. I decided a few years ago that it was something I wanted to do, so I switched. I watched people who did receive on the tongue to see how they were doing it, and I practiced in front of a mirror. I still feel like I do it wrong sometimes, but as long as the Eucharist gets in my mouth safely and in one piece, I figure I'm okay.

Receiving on the tongue is very humbling... the only other times we're fed that way is when we're babies or when we're too sick to feed ourselves. I love the parallel there.

[quote name='homeschoolmom' post='1870809' date='May 19 2009, 08:35 AM']No, don't say "ahh," say "ahh-men."[/quote]

[StColette]

[quote name='BG45' post='1870618' date='May 18 2009, 10:47 PM']I know in many places they don't even teach how to receive on the tongue. Personally I never have, but I make an effort prior to Mass to wash my hands in a more complete way than I do at any time of the week.[/quote]

I taught my PSR kids that you could, but I believe they were so nervous about receiving for the first time anyway that they were scared to death to try.

[Brother Adam]

That is a tragedy if you were never taught how to receive on the tongue. That would be like not teaching children that they can receive confession behind a screen.

[Brigid]

[quote name='Brother Adam' post='1870865' date='May 19 2009, 11:02 AM']That is a tragedy if you were never taught how to receive on the tongue. That would be like not teaching children that they can receive confession behind a screen.[/quote]
um... I don't know if I was taught that, either. not at my first reconciliation, anyway.