I'm Going To Talk About Nd

[jmjtina]

Over 60 U.S bishops disagree with most ND students and obviously several posters on phatmass.
[quote]And we also have the duty to avoid prostituting our Catholic identity by appeals to phony dialogue that mask an abdication of our moral witness.~ Archbishop Chaput on Fr. Jenkins, in particular[/quote]

read full statement [url="http://www.archden.org/index.cfm/ID/2081"]here[/url].

[Jaime]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1871241' date='May 19 2009, 07:24 PM']The distinction is not that important. Because the result is the same, genocide. America is vastly more wicked and evil that Nazi Germany, because she has murdered millions more.[/quote]


I agree with the sentiment of that but not the outcome. Is abortion a greater travesty than WWII? Absolutely. So I don't have a problem with objectively thinking America is more evil.

Does that make President Obama Hitler? No the logic doesn't follow

[KnightofChrist]

Obama denies the personhood of the unborn child.

Hitler denied the personhood of the Jewish people.

What made Hitler evil was the genocide he supported. What makes Obama evil in like manner is the genocide he supports.

[Jaime]

Well except Hitler presided over the murdering of millions of Jews.

Obama can't be held responsible for the 40 million abortions in the US

[Jaime]

[quote]I don't think anyone is implying you are.

You are however acquiescing with evil, whether you realise it or not.[/quote]

You haven't been around that long but you've certainly made your share of ridiculous statements. If Lost in the World is acquiescing with evil then so are all the bishops and theologians who have spoken about this . LitW said that they didn't have a problem with President Obama speaking. Its in the giving of the honorary degree that causes a problem. That is exactly the issue that the bishops and theologians have been speaking to.

[quote]Obama's speech was pure rhetoric mingled with moral relativism. Those who think highly of his speech are those who've begun to drink the Kool aid of moral relativism which supports the idea that all positions are "equal". They are not.[/quote]

I can think the man can turn a phrase without having to agree with him. You reject obvious that he's a good speaker and it weakens your argument.

[quote]Such people look silly to the pro abortionists and secular world.

To the faithful, however, you look like a CINO. Think about that.[/quote]

Based on this you are going to call LitW Catholic in name only? Again, be prepared to make the same statement about the bishops who have stated the EXACT same opinion as LitW


Your only response to people boils down to "if you don't agree with me you're not Catholic and you support evil"

That is moronic.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1871250' date='May 19 2009, 06:40 PM']Well except Hitler presided over the murdering of millions of Jews.

Obama can't be held responsible for the 40 million abortions in the US[/quote]

Obama alone can't be held responsible for the 40 million abortions in the US. He has support this genocide, and taken part in it, in as much that he has voted and help pass laws that continue it. And now as President given executive orders to increase this genocide.

[kujo]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1871267' date='May 19 2009, 09:13 PM']You haven't been around that long but you've certainly made your share of ridiculous statements. If Lost in the World is acquiescing with evil then so are all the bishops and theologians who have spoken about this . LitW said that they didn't have a problem with President Obama speaking. Its in the giving of the honorary degree that causes a problem. That is exactly the issue that the bishops and theologians have been speaking to.



I can think the man can turn a phrase without having to agree with him. You reject obvious that he's a good speaker and it weakens your argument.



Based on this you are going to call LitW Catholic in name only? Again, be prepared to make the same statement about the bishops who have stated the EXACT same opinion as LitW


Your only response to people boils down to "if you don't agree with me you're not Catholic and you support evil"

That is moronic.[/quote]

[lost_in_this_world]

i guess i was naive in thinking my opinion would spark a debate like this. i have no problem with debating or arguing but when you make the attack on me personal then its coming back at you.


sue me because i prefer to look for the good in things and people including our commander in chief.

feel free to make me look like the devil if it makes you feel better.

i can only imagine how you treat people who are pro choice.

[lost_in_this_world]

and yeah my tone is different now after being attacked. of course i will defend myself against those who like to turn things persona and equate me with evil or the devil

[Socrates]

This probably won't come as any surprise, but I'm behind dominicansoul and ariaane 100% here. I don't have a whole lot to say which they haven't already said.

I find it really sad that so many "pro-life Catholics" on here don't seem to know whose side they're really on.

Seems they have nothing but contempt and criticism for anyone who dares speak out against evil and call it by it's true name, and routinely defend or make excuses for politicians like Obama who actively support the killing of the innocent, while deriding pro-lifers who make too much noise speaking out against this evil.

Ironically, while these bleeding hearts regularly condemn vocal pro-lifers as "divisive" and "uncharitable," they themselves are hardly charitable towards those pro-lifers, and would rather divide themselves from them, than from those who promote child-murder through laws and funding.
It seems a sad number of "pro-life Catholics" prefer to be politically-correct and hold hands and sing Kumbayah with pro-abortion politicians and liberals, than take a stand [i]with[/i] (rather than against) those pro-lifers who actually speak out against abortion and those who promote it.
I mean, God forbid anyone call us "right-wing religious fanatics"!

[Socrates]

[quote name='lost_in_this_world' post='1870945' date='May 19 2009, 12:47 PM']wow reading the posts is interesting

i am in no way pro choice or even close.

i do think the presidents speech was classy. if you listened to the speech it did not pit one side against the other. he attempted to put the focus on preventing abortion and promoting adoption. i have never once every really agreed or even liked anything Obama has said but i think this speech was his best one yet.[/quote]
A pretty speech does not do anything to change the fact that Obama in his political career has never met a bill supporting abortion and/or infanticide he didn't support, and already as President has enacted policies granting federal money to directly fund abortions.

If Obama was sincere about preventing reducing abortions, why would he want them funded with federal money? You don't fund something you wish to prevent! That should be obvious.

Obama is merely trying to lull pro-lifers with pretty words, while continuing to directly support abortion with his actions. He is a hypocrite and a liar, plain and simple.

You people need to stop letting yourselves be charmed and lulled by the words and personality of slick politicians, but pay attention to their actions instead.

After all, words are cheap.
And abortion continues to be supported with your tax dollars.

It's past time to wake up!

Edited May 20, 2009 by Socrates

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1871347' date='May 19 2009, 07:41 PM']I find it really sad that so many "pro-life Catholics" on here don't seem to know whose side they're really on.[/quote]
It is sad, and it is not limited to pro-life issues.

[lost_in_this_world]

this goes to all, because i may think his speech is classy does not mean i am being lulled by a politicians words. i am not stupid and it certainly feels like ppl on here think i am.

[KnightofChrist]

His speech was full of lies relativism and fluffiness.

[BG45]

[quote name='dominicansoul' post='1871172' date='May 19 2009, 07:00 PM']in the same light as hitler was the devil, stalin was the devil, and every other being who was in a position of power and used that power to slaughter millions[/quote]

Then may I ask if you consider God to be the Devil? I would imagine that your answer, no I pray that your answer, would be a resounding NO. To do so would be the utter antithesis of Christian thought, to do so would be to deny the divinity of our Lord, to do so would be to deny God the Father, to do so would be to deny the Holy Spirit. Yet, if one takes your words as they are written, then by default, the Old Testament smitings and the eternal damnations promised within the book of Revelation would mean that He is.

Sometimes semantics are more than just that. I think that's part of what makes people seize upon one another's throats so easily online, when they might be agreeing. In speaking out loud one can normally tell if there is an issue of mere semantics, but in text form, the human ability to reason and to be creative combine to sometimes lead from what one actually means.