Obama Is Not Pro-abortion

[Lounge Daddy]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1872909' date='May 21 2009, 08:20 PM']Obviously, L’Osservatore Romano doesn't necessarily reflect all the opinions of the Holy Father, nor is it the official Vatican gazette.[/quote]
I agree. And L'Osservatore Romano is still only a part of the news media. And sometimes the media simply gets it wrong.

[IrishSalesian]

I DO NOT AGREE WITH OBAMA. I AM PROLIFE

Perhaps they were trying to get across that Obama is Pro-Choice. He wants the woman to be able to have that option. I don't think that anyone is adamantly pro-abortion.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='IrishSalesian' post='1873371' date='May 22 2009, 04:00 PM']I don't think that anyone is adamantly pro-abortion.[/quote]

Henry Mortgentaler is. He's made lots of money off of performing abortions. I still can not comprehend how someone who survived the Holocaust and Auschwitz could become an abortionist.

[IrishSalesian]

[Socrates]

[quote name='Sirklawd' post='1873234' date='May 22 2009, 10:10 AM']That's the problem isn't it. Obama-lovers like this seem to just listen to speeches...speeches so clearly engineered and tailored to the specific crowd at hand...

I wonder what they would say about the speech he gave to planned parenthood in 2007 where he promised to sign FOCA.

I can already see this writer covering his ears with his hands "lalalalala"[/quote]
Exactly.

I've mentioned this point a number of times before.
It seems the same Obama-infatuated libs who earlier derided pro-lifers for "making a big deal" over his promise to sign FOCA into law during a speech at a Planned Parenthood meeting are now berating us for not trusting the sincerity of his words in a speech to a "Catholic" audience at Notre Dame. (Even though if true, they would only mean keeping a clause enacted by Bush. And never mind Obama's 100% pro-abortion/pro-infanticide voting record.)

So which is it, bleeding hearts?

Are we to trust what Obama says in his speeches or not?

[Socrates]

[quote name='farglefeezlebut' post='1873239' date='May 22 2009, 11:43 AM']If you do not take active steps to prevent abortion, you are pro-abortion.

"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality."
Desmond Tutu[/quote]
The reality is that Obama is not just "neutral" on the issue of abortion, but has a record of consistently voting in favor of abortion and against any and all restrictions on it, even infamously being the only member of the IL state senate to oppose the Infants Born Alive Act protecting babies who survive abortion, and for partial-birth abortion.
One of his first actions in office was to reverse Bush's Mexico City Policy barring funding of abortion of overseas.

[url="http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm"]http://www.ontheissues.org/Barack_Obama.htm[/url]

[quote]It is all very well saying that he respects the rights of those who oppose abortion to follow their consciences (and he does deserve [i]some[/i] kudos for this, because a lot of pro-"choice" people refuse to even go that far), but he ignores that if you're a fetus, the right to free speech doesn't mean an awful lot. Free speech is only useful to those who have a voice. The right to speak your mind can only be excercised by those who are given the right to live long enough to speak.

I do respect Obama for having thw courage to say "No matter how much we may want to fudge it - indeed, while we know that the views of most Americans on the subject are complex and even contradictory - the fact is that at some level, the views of the two camps are irreconcilable." I also don't want people's views reduced to a caricature. Most pro-"choice" people wouldn't even think about harming a newborn baby. It is not that they hate baies and want to murder them. It's that they don't recognise the humanity of the pre-born children. But that doesn't make the act any less despicable. If I am murdered by someone who has been brainwashed into believing that people with brown eyes aren't human, it is no comfort to me that the person in question was nice to people who didn't have brown eyes. The fact that "they know not what hey do" does not render the victim any less dead.[/quote]
Sorry, but I found Obama's words neither courageous, commendable, original, nor honest.
I realize things may be different on your side of the pond, but over here in America, [i]every[/i] pro-abort politician gives the exact same song-and-dance about not liking abortion and wanting to work to prevent and reduce abortions; all the while doing everything in their power to to promote and fund abortion at every opportunity (as has Obama).
You have to look at the politician's records, not their cheap words.

Such words are nothing but pure sleazy politics - these politicians continue to stay true to their pro-abortion core constituency, while uttering reassuring words about how they don't really like abortion in order to avoid "alienating" pro-lifers.
They try to straddle the fence with their talk, while remaining firmly on the side of abortion in their walk.

[quote]I am glad that Obama wishes to reduce the number of abortions, and I hope his plans to do so work. I will support any scheme to help pregnant women in crisis.[/quote]
Like I said, every pro-abortion politician in America utters the exact same nonsense about wanting to reduce abortions, all the while working to promote it.

As president, Obama has already enacted policy directly funding abortion with federal money. [b]If you want to reduce something, you don't directly fund it! [/b]

Like they say, money talks, bull**** walks.
If you want to know the truth about Obama and abortion, follow the money. Don't listen to his politician bull****.

[elizabeth09]

I can die right now. I might die of shocked. I am very curious why.

[inunionwithrome]

To say that he is not a Pro-Abortion president after signing every law of life and not considering it sacred is just a...lack of respect. Dishonesty,etc....zzzzzzzzzzIT seems like the Vatican writers are becoming more secular from the articles I have seen lately:seehearspeak:

[TotusTuusMaria]

[bonkers]

[quote name='Socrates' post='1873589' date='May 22 2009, 10:23 PM']Like I said, every pro-abortion politician in America utters the exact same nonsense about wanting to reduce abortions, all the while working to promote it.[/quote]

And all the pro anti-choice politicans in America utter the same nonsense about wanting to reduce abortions, all the while doing nothing to prevent it. That is because they are also politicians, and politicians are more interested in winning votes and gaining power than saving foetuses. I can understand why you don't like Obama, it's just the constant lauding of pro-losers like Palin (who would be too timid and weak to seriously challenge the status quo) that I find confusing. But I guess it's the natural thing to do, pick a side and stick with it.