I Have Two Daddies!?!?!?!

[Hassan]

I have recently been informed that, contrary to my understanding, Shiva is the Hindu god of destruction, not the goddess. Yet according to my personal section my parents are Shiva and Ares.



























I'm so confused

[Resurrexi]

I didn't know Ares played for that team...

[hoosieranna]

Silly Hassan. Kali is the goddess of destruction. Parvati is the consort of Shiva. Both are girls. Take your pick and your confusion (some of it at least) will clear.

[Paddington]

[quote name='Nadezhda' post='1877804' date='May 29 2009, 10:20 AM']Silly Hassan. Kali is the goddess of destruction. Parvati is the consort of Shiva. Both are girls. Take your pick and your confusion (some of it at least) will clear. [/quote]

I smell double-date!

[Innocent]

I humbly suggest to the glorious Sultan that, according to various oral traditions (many only marginally reliable) it is probable that he was found abandoned near a battlefield, and his joint legal guardians, (namely those mentioned in his personal section) who were brothers in arms and fought side-by-side countless times, upon finding him thus abandoned, took him under their wing as their ward, and, lacking knowledge of his parentage and unwilling to tell him directly, told him the self-evidently absurd statement that is currently recorded in his personal section, in the hope that his acute intellect would see through it and understand that his guardian-mentors were trying to tell him that he was adopted, but could not bring themselves to break the painful news to him directly.

Similar methods of indirect communication of information are common literary devices in traditional Indian literature.

Unfortunately, it seems that the glorious Sultan's acute intellect has not functioned exactly as his guardians planned for. I suggest that, if the glorious Sultan feels too depressed about this, he can solace himself by meditating on the ancient Indian proverb, "Even the elephant's foot can stumble." The western equivalent of this would be, "Homer too nods."

Edited May 30, 2009 by Innocent

[Innocent]

[quote name='Nadezhda' post='1877804' date='May 29 2009, 07:50 PM']Silly Hassan. Kali is the goddess of destruction. Parvati is the consort of Shiva. Both are girls. Take your pick and your confusion (some of it at least) will clear. [/quote]

To the extent of my knowledge, Kali is an aspect of Parvathi, also known as Shakthi. They are the same person. (A concept somewhat similar to Modalism.)

However, since in mythology, the chastity and faithfulness of the consort of Shiva has never, (to the extent of my knowledge, at least) been questionable, I suggest that it is highly improbable that the consort of Shiva could have been the mother of the glorious Sultan, at least, not with Ares, unless it can be proved that Ares was another name of Shiva, which seems to me very improbable.

Edited May 30, 2009 by Innocent

[Hassan]

[quote name='Innocent' post='1878321' date='May 30 2009, 12:57 AM']I humbly suggest to the glorious Sultan that, according to various oral traditions (many only marginally reliable) it is probable that he was found abandoned near a battlefield, and his joint legal guardians, (namely those mentioned in his personal section) who were brothers in arms and fought side-by-side countless times, upon finding him thus abandoned, took him under their wing as their ward, and, lacking knowledge of his parentage and unwilling to tell him directly, told him the self-evidently absurd statement that is currently recorded in his personal section, in the hope that his acute intellect would see through it and understand that his guardian-mentors were trying to tell him that he was adopted, but could not bring themselves to break the painful news to him directly.

Similar methods of indirect communication of information are common literary devices in traditional Indian literature.

Unfortunately, it seems that the glorious Sultan's acute intellect has not functioned exactly as his guardians planned for. I suggest that, if the glorious Sultan feels too depressed about this, he can solace himself by meditating on the ancient Indian proverb, "Even the elephant's foot can stumble." The western equivalent of this would be, "Homer too nods."[/quote]





Actually in all seriousness I wish I knew more about Indian culture and religion. I almost took Hindi/Urdu for my language.

[Resurrexi]

Why not Sanskrit?

[Hassan]

[quote name='Resurrexi' post='1878362' date='May 30 2009, 03:36 AM']Why not Sanskrit?[/quote]


It wasn't an option. As I recall

Czech, Japanese, Chinese, Russian, Serbo-Croatian, Hindi-Urdu, Korean, Arabic, Hungarian, Cal (that language spoken around Spain and France), French, Spanish, Portugese, German, Swahili, Cherokee and Persian

[Maggyie]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1878337' date='May 30 2009, 02:16 AM']


Actually in all seriousness I wish I knew more about Indian culture and religion. I almost took Hindi/Urdu for my language. [/quote]


Hinid/Urdu! I could never study a language with so many u's in its name, it's indecent

[Hassan]

[quote name='Maggie' post='1878391' date='May 30 2009, 09:35 AM']Hinid/Urdu! I could never study a language with so many u's in its name, it's indecent[/quote]


You're face is indecent

[T-Bone _]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1878392' date='May 30 2009, 08:45 AM']You're face is indecent [/quote]

Your face is indecent.

[Nihil Obstat]

You should have done Cherokee!

[Innocent]

[i]In which Innocent the wandering chronicler clears up a minor point which would otherwise cause confusion.[/i]

But some of my readers of this manuscript may ask, "How is it that the Shahanshah Hassan came to think of Shiva, who was obviously male, as a goddess? Did he not know that a goddess is female?"

After a long period of tortured thinking, my mind was illuminated by a sudden ray of light. I am now convinced that the answer to this marvellous riddle is to be found in that ancient and profound collection of tales which uphold impeccable moral values, ( which, we are told, is being used for the moral instruction of infants in the sultanate of the Shahanshah Hassan), namely, [url="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Book_of_the_Thousand_Nights_and_a_Night"][i]The Book of the Thousand Nights and a Night[/i][/url].

But what does that have to do with this? Remember, the Shahanshah Hassan, after being found by the aforementioned members of two different pantheons, was, for some reason now lost in the sands of time, sent away to be brought up, as a Secret Muslim.

Let us now turn to the [url="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Book_of_the_Thousand_Nights_and_a_Night/Volume_13"]Fourteenth Volume (Actually it is the Fourteen-minus-one-th volume, but let us avoid using inauspicious numbers in the presence of the Most Auspicious Shahanshah.) of the aforementioned tome[/url]. In the 128th footnote, we find an insight into the culture of Non-Secret Islam. We may assume that Secret Islam (of which, since it is secret, no historical records have reached us) has a similar culture.

[quote]Thereupon Alaeddin (who used to think that all women resembled his mother [FN#128] and who, albeit he had heard of the charms of Badr al-Budur, daughter of the Sultan, yet knew not what "beauty" and "loveliness" might signify)

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[FN#128] Such a statement may read absurdly to the West but it is true in the East. "Selim" had seen no woman's face unveiled, save that of his sable mother Rosebud in Morier's Tale of Yeldoz, the wicked woman ("The Mirza," vol. iii. 135). The H. V. adds that Alaeddin's mother was old and verily had little beauty even in her youth. So at the sight of the Princess he learnt that Allah had created women exquisite in loveliness and heart-ensnaring; and at first glance the shaft of love pierced his heart and he fell to the ground afaint He loved her with a thousand lives and, when his mother questioned him, "his lips formed no friendship with his speech."[/quote]

Here we find the important point that aids us in clearing our confusion: the Shahanahah Hassan, having never seen a woman unveiled in his early life, apparently thought that a female was no different than a male! Here is the source of his confusion about Shiva being a goddess.

Thus we may surmise that, in his infancy, when he impressed upon himself the idea that Shiva was a goddess, his guardians, charmed by this infant folly, allowed him to persist in it. ( We may also surmise that they no longer find the persistence of this notion as amusing, now that the Shahanshah has attained the full bloom of manhood.)

However, we have room to hope that, the Shahanshah Hassan having experienced marriage, fatherhood and, most unfortunately, divorce too, it may now have occured to him that females are, in fact, different from males.

Edited May 31, 2009 by Innocent

[Innocent]

[quote name='Hassan' post='1878337' date='May 30 2009, 11:46 AM']Actually in all seriousness I wish I knew more about Indian culture and religion.[/quote]

You can find an interesting introduction to Hinduism in the writings of C. Rajagopalachari. He wrote some summaries of important Hindu writings. These summaries were well received by his readership - I think they were first published in serial format in some newspaper . (You can find some of his writings online [url="http://www.hindubooks.org/books_by_rajaji/"][i][b]here[/b][/i][/url]. The format of the website is somewhat inconvenient for reading. Until some months back there was another website ( www.rajaji.net )with his writings in a more comfortable format, but that domain has now expired, and since that webmaster had used Javascript instead of plain html, the website has not been preserved well in the Internet Archive.)

Edited May 31, 2009 by Innocent