HisChildForever Posted May 30, 2009 Author Share Posted May 30, 2009 You have been asked for a source twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1878272' date='May 29 2009, 11:58 PM']Source please.[/quote] Dr. Riyad Asfari. The dean of the medical faculty of medicine at the college she studied at. Who confirmed that, while a professor was assisignated around the time she would have been studying there, it was off campus. For one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1878268' date='May 30 2009, 12:56 AM']I don't see how it is Catholic to be honest. That's just not true. She lied about that story and it's been well proven. There was no professor shot on campus much less a classroom, amongst other things. I think there was a professor from the university shot, but certianly not on campus and not in her presence.[/quote] Now this sort of sounds familiar. I think I remember hearing about her shooting story being debunked. Many times people will make traumatic things up in order to get attention or make their arguments richer. Maybe this is what she has done? However that doesn't mean she doesn't have anything valuable to say about the situation of women in Islam. On the other hand she is not the best representative since she isn't a Muslim anymore I think, isn't she an atheist/secularist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I did like how she described women being given the power of creation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 30, 2009 Author Share Posted May 30, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1878288' date='May 30 2009, 12:16 AM']Dr. Riyad Asfari. The dean of the medical faculty of medicine at the college she studied at. Who confirmed that, while a professor was assisignated around the time she would have been studying there, it was off campus. For one.[/quote] I would like to read the source myself, please. Surely since this has been "well-proven" you have an objective article you can share with us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 Here's a link talking about the shooting issue. [url="http://www.infocusnews.net/content/view/4009/135/"]InFocus[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 For what its worth, when I was a freshman, there was a shooting outside freshman English. Years later I heard people talk about seeing it who had been in the gym or shop class or even home sick. When something happens like that, it can get into your head, and eventually you believe the memory as reconstructed. Kind of like Hilary and Bosnia. Everyone assumes she was just lying to get elected. I happen to think that she actually remembered it that way until confronted with the video. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 30, 2009 Author Share Posted May 30, 2009 (edited) Hassan is incorrect. Dr. Asfari was NOT the dean. He was the chief of the Internal Diseases department, according to this website which was created by two brothers who are currently studying medicine at the university: [url="http://twin.itgo.com/faculty.htm"]http://twin.itgo.com/faculty.htm[/url] During the time of the shooting (1979), Dr.Bashir Nasif managed the college of medicine. (I do intend to find the university website itself though.) Edited May 30, 2009 by HisChildForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1878304' date='May 30 2009, 12:28 AM']Here's a link talking about the shooting issue. [url="http://www.infocusnews.net/content/view/4009/135/"]InFocus[/url][/quote] You posted before I did, dang. Anyway "well proven" shouldn't be applied to the testimony of "Adnan Halabi" which is not even the individual's real name. And again, this is only the individual's single testimony, it would seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 30, 2009 Author Share Posted May 30, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1878304' date='May 30 2009, 12:28 AM']Here's a link talking about the shooting issue. [url="http://www.infocusnews.net/content/view/4009/135/"]InFocus[/url][/quote] I tried looking up the author of this article (Abdussalam Mohamed) and found nothing substantial. The fact that he used Wikipedia as a source, however, makes me raise an eyebrow. I would truly like to see an objective article on the school shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 30, 2009 Author Share Posted May 30, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1878310' date='May 30 2009, 12:40 AM']You posted before I did, dang. Anyway "well proven" shouldn't be applied to the testimony of "Adnan Halabi" which is not even the individual's real name. And again, this is only the individual's single testimony, it would seem.[/quote] Oh, but he's FRIENDS with Ms. Sultan and her family, and knows SO MUCH about them: [b] As for the Sultans’ financial troubles, Halabi told InFocus that ever since Dr. Sultan gained notoriety those troubles are a thing of the past. "She bought a house for herself and bought another for her son," Halabi said. "She also bought two smog-check stations, one for her husband and another for her son," he added. When asked about the source of her material well-being, Halabi was unsure. [/b] Seriously, this man could be a devout Muslim who despises Ms. Sultan. Without a name, no one can do a background check to verify his claims or relationship with the Sultan family. InFocus is a Muslim newspaper. OF COURSE they are going to bash Wafa Sultan!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lords sheep Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 I know very little about Islam. I know very little about this woman and I don't know if what she presents is credible (although it is certainly interesting). It seems possible to me, but I would really need to do more study on it to have an enlightened opinion. That said, I stand by my original statement. To speak against the prophet Muhammad, in the way that she did in that interview, on a public station in an Arabic country could be very dangerous. In Islam, it is almost blasphemy. There are a few theologians who I know of who study Islam (some of whom are/were Muslim) and who write under pen names for fear that when they make any criticism of Muhammad or the Koran, they- and their families- could be in danger, even though they are living in the western world. Even with a lack of personal credibility, however, she does have some valid points. I don't know anyone that would deny that women in Islamic states are second class citizens, subject to laws that degrade them and sometimes leave them defenseless. From things as simple as in a trial (I believe it's according to Sharia law), there must be 2 female witnesses with the same story to be credible, but only one male. And according to the law in debate in Afghanistan, a man can force his wife to have sex with him every four days and regulates when/how often can leave her home. And [url="http://www.americamagazine.org/content/article.cfm?article_id=1631"]child marriage[/url] is still a large problem: no where in the world should a 10 year old girl be legally permitted to marry a 60 year old man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rizz_loves_jesus Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1878251' date='May 29 2009, 11:37 PM']Oh, I should have mentioned this earlier. I found it really beautiful when Ms. Sultan said, and I quote, "Do they realize that Allah chose the female body for his greatest invention - creation itself? Wouldn't it be moral to bestow upon the female body a certain holiness, instead of viewing it as impure?" I found that to be very Catholic thinking, to tell you the truth.[/quote] That's exactly what I thought, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatherineM Posted May 30, 2009 Share Posted May 30, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1878312' date='May 29 2009, 11:44 PM']I would truly like to see an objective article on the school shooting.[/quote] Me too. I hate posting links to things that I don't know anything about, but thought maybe someone would have more information based on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted May 30, 2009 Author Share Posted May 30, 2009 [quote name='CatherineM' post='1878413' date='May 30 2009, 11:45 AM']Me too. I hate posting links to things that I don't know anything about, but thought maybe someone would have more information based on it.[/quote] I tried looking, but to no avail. All that came up were Muslim blogs and that article you already shared. Since the shooting was in 1979, it would take a lot of digging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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