HisChildForever Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 [quote name='Hassan' post='1881318' date='Jun 2 2009, 04:23 PM']Yes you did, you also read into it things I did not write. You've done that off and on for some time now. I'm not ure if you really can't help it or if you're just trying to get a rise out of me.[/quote] Oh, I'm definitely trying to get a rise out of you. I mean, even though you're the one who came into my thread with guns blazing, just waiting for the opportunity to insult my intelligence (dim-witted fifth grader, ignorant, etc.). In fact Hassan, I set up this thread with the sole purpose of driving you insane. Everything is about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1881317' date='Jun 2 2009, 03:23 PM']What benefit of the doubt do you give Muhammad, who had sex with a nine year old?[/quote] I wasn't talking about Muhammad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1881319' date='Jun 2 2009, 04:24 PM']This comment was uncalled for; you may not like what HisChildForever is saying, but [i]ad hominem[/i] remarks in reference to her thought processes do nothing to advance the debate.[/quote] Thank you. This actually isn't supposed to be a debate, but rather a discussion about women's rights in Islamic society. Which Hassan has manipulated to his own liking, which is not an unusual occurrence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 For better or worse . . . it has been a debate for a while now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1881325' date='Jun 2 2009, 04:29 PM']For better or worse . . . it has been a debate for a while now.[/quote] Oh I know. But it isn't SUPPOSED to be, was my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 2, 2009 Share Posted June 2, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1881327' date='Jun 2 2009, 02:29 PM']Oh I know. But it isn't SUPPOSED to be, was my point.[/quote] Well, someone keeps posting long essays on Sharia written by Muslim authors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 2, 2009 Author Share Posted June 2, 2009 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='1881336' date='Jun 2 2009, 04:34 PM']Well, someone keeps posting long essays on Sharia written by Muslim authors. [/quote] Pretty sure that's where you can find the laws about women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AbsconditaInDeo Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1877976' date='May 29 2009, 04:03 PM']A very good friend of mine wanted this to be passed along. The video is just under 8 minutes long. The content of it is disturbing (particularly the end where Ms. Sultan discusses her niece), and some parts may be suitable for a mature audience only. [url="http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/arab-american-psychiatrist-wafa-sultan-harshly-criticizes-the-status-of-women-in-islam/17882448"]http://www.mefeedia.com/entry/arab-america...-islam/17882448[/url][/quote] Brilliant. I couldn't agree more with Ms. Sultan. Thank you so much for posting this video. I can't wait to pass it along to some friends. Why is it that in the mosque all the men worship in the front and the women have to stay in the back? A muslim girl I knew in high school told me that it's because the men will get tempted by the women and won't be able to focus on prayer. Why is it that many muslim men prefer their wives to wear the full black gown and face covering? So other men won't be tempted by their beauty maybe? I'm not denying that some women may prefer to wear the full black gown and face covering, but who could blame them. I don't doubt that being a woman in the muslim world can be scary and very difficult. And it IS true, it IS fact that men are dominant in the muslim world. Maybe it isn't right of Ms. Sultan to over generalize and say that all muslim women are dominated by their husbands, especially in the U.S, but many of them are in the middle east. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maggyie Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 [quote name='AbsconditaInDeo' post='1881564' date='Jun 2 2009, 10:53 PM']Brilliant. I couldn't agree more with Ms. Sultan. Thank you so much for posting this video. I can't wait to pass it along to some friends. Why is it that in the mosque all the men worship in the front and the women have to stay in the back? A muslim girl I knew in high school told me that it's because the men will get tempted by the women and won't be able to focus on prayer. Why is it that many muslim men prefer their wives to wear the full black gown and face covering? So other men won't be tempted by their beauty maybe? I'm not denying that some women may prefer to wear the full black gown and face covering, but who could blame them. I don't doubt that being a woman in the muslim world can be scary and very difficult. And it IS true, it IS fact that men are dominant in the muslim world. Maybe it isn't right of Ms. Sultan to over generalize and say that all muslim women are dominated by their husbands, especially in the U.S, but many of them are in the middle east.[/quote] The reason that men and women are segregated in some Islamic worship is the same reason that they are segregated in an Orthodox Jewish shul. It is to prevent distraction in worship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 (edited) [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1881266' date='Jun 2 2009, 03:31 PM']You think that culture and religion are SEPARATE when it comes to Islamic societies? The law is BASED on the Koran.[/quote] She was talking about Islam in general. Not every country that has a Muslim majority has Sharia law. [quote]And I honestly believe she would say no such thing about Catholicism, and it is inappropriate to make such a negative assumption about her character.[/quote] It is not an assumption, it is an observation. She is overgeneralizing some of the problems and blaming them on Islam. [quote]Women are not treated like property in Catholicism, nor are they forced into marriages at the age of 10 to men who are decades older.[/quote] THIS is an assumption. Please, i've been to the Middle East a couple of times. I've never heard of a 10 year old getting married to a man "decades" older. Besides, that's more of cultural anyways. I know of Palestinian Christians who were married when they were 16. [quote]Because posting FACT is bashing. [/quote] I think it's ironic to post material that encourages the generalizing of a whole people on a site that was made to defend against misconceptions about Catholicism. I believe Dr. Sultan's videos are interesting enough to watch since they bring up questions about the political, religious, and cultural aspects of the Middle East. However, without actually reading about Islam from a Muslim's point of view, without actually reading about the Middle East to understand different countries and different cultures, you will never understand the Middle East. You will never understand Islam. I fear your hatred for Islam will always match that of an anti-Catholic based on hatred through ignorance. [url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/ZKORAN.HTM"]http://www.ewtn.com/library/SCRIPTUR/ZKORAN.HTM[/url] Btw, this is a more levelheaded explanation about Islam from a priest. I trust people on this forum will find this source at least somewhat reliable. It might not answer all of your questions but for what it does answer, it's not bad. Edited June 3, 2009 by musturde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 3, 2009 Author Share Posted June 3, 2009 Just because you have never seen an older man walking with his child bride does not mean it is a rare occurrence. And I would appreciate it if you did not pretend to know me. My "hatred" of Islam? Please. This is a thread about women's rights - or at least it's SUPPOSED to be. It just so happens that I found an interview (which led me to pursue other articles) that was about women in Islamic society. If I start a thread about women in Asian cultures, will you storm into that one too and rant about my "hatred" of Asia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 This is the song that never ends. It goes on and on my friends. Hassan started singing it full knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because, This is the song that never ends. It goes on and on my friends... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChildForever Posted June 3, 2009 Author Share Posted June 3, 2009 [quote name='KnightofChrist' post='1881711' date='Jun 3 2009, 12:14 AM']This is the song that never ends. It goes on and on my friends. Hassan started singing it full knowing what it was, and they'll continue singing it forever just because, This is the song that never ends. It goes on and on my friends...[/quote] Yep, and notice how I'm the villain. I've really grown into the role though, so I can't say that it bothers me so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 (edited) [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1881713' date='Jun 3 2009, 12:16 AM']Yep, and notice how I'm the villain. I've really grown into the role though, so I can't say that it bothers me so much.[/quote] I am not attacking you as a villain. I just think you're going about this situation in the wrong way. You're oversimplifying the problem. Instead of saying, "I disagree with countries that enforce Sharia law", or "I simply think this specific country has an odd culture", you have blamed the entire issue on a religion. I'm not attacking you for your intentions but I am concerned over what you blamed as the cause of the situation. If you really cared about woman's rights in this region, you'd try to understand the exact reason for it. This conclusion is not reached overnight and in different areas it's different. Edited June 3, 2009 by musturde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted June 3, 2009 Share Posted June 3, 2009 [quote name='HisChildForever' post='1881707' date='Jun 2 2009, 10:09 PM']Just because you have never seen an older man walking with his child bride does not mean it is a rare occurrence.[/quote] Good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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