Abhoring False Aspects Of One's Former Religion

[MithLuin]

Ummm...are you suggesting that God broke his covenant with the Jewish people?


And yes, I realize that the Tridentine Mass didn't suddenly spring into existence in 1570. My point was that a 1950 perspective on it is likely rather different from a 1550 perspective. And when you pressure/force people to convert and accept baptism, it's no surprise that you might doubt their sincerity in giving up their former religion.

If St. Teresa of Avila is essential to the argument, then it would fall apart. If she's not...why drag her in so forcefully?

Edited June 6, 2009 by MithLuin

[OraProMe]

[quote name='MithLuin' post='1884809' date='Jun 6 2009, 07:54 AM']Ummm...are you suggesting that God broke his covenant with the Jewish people?[/quote]

The redemptive work of Our Lord is the fullfilment of Gods covenant with Abraham. This is represented in scripture when the veil in the Jewish temple tears in two after the death of Christ.

[MithLuin]

Yeah, I get that.

But what he said was that by continuing to follow the old covenant, they are being 'superstitious' - ie, it doesn't mean anything, it's empty....and I can't picture the original covenant as 'empty' even if it has been fulfilled.

[OraProMe]

[quote name='MithLuin' post='1884813' date='Jun 6 2009, 08:21 AM']Yeah, I get that.

But what he said was that by continuing to follow the old covenant, they are being 'superstitious' - ie, it doesn't mean anything, it's empty....and I can't picture the original covenant as 'empty' even if it has been fulfilled.[/quote]

It was rendered empty when the Jews rejected their Messiah.
It has been replaced by the New Covenant which has been won by Christs victory on the cross. Christ came to abbrogate the Old Law.

Edited June 6, 2009 by OraProMe

[MithLuin]

[quote]"Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished."

Matthew 5:17-18[/quote]


Heaven and earth are still here.


I realize that [i]Nostra Aetate[/i] isn't going to be popular with the writer of the original article, but I'd have trouble seeing how you could get around it without claiming to be more Catholic than Pope Paul VI.

[quote]Although the Church is the new people of God, the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures. All should see to it, then, that in catechetical work or in the preaching of the word of God they do not teach anything that does not conform to the truth of the Gospel and the spirit of Christ.[/quote]

And what does Scripture and the Church teach on that topic?

[quote]The Church keeps ever in mind the words of the Apostle about his kinsmen: "theirs is the sonship and the glory and the covenants and the law and the worship and the promises; theirs are the fathers and from them is the Christ according to the flesh" (Rom. 9:4-5), the Son of the Virgin Mary. She also recalls that the Apostles, the Church's main-stay and pillars, as well as most of the early disciples who proclaimed Christ's Gospel to the world, sprang from the Jewish people.

As Holy Scripture testifies, Jerusalem did not recognize the time of her visitation, nor did the Jews in large number, accept the Gospel; indeed not a few opposed its spreading. Nevertheless, God holds the Jews most dear for the sake of their Fathers; He does not repent of the gifts He makes or of the calls He issues-such is the witness of the Apostle. In company with the Prophets and the same Apostle, the Church awaits that day, known to God alone, on which all peoples will address the Lord in a single voice and "serve him shoulder to shoulder" (Soph. 3:9)

[url="http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decl_19651028_nostra-aetate_en.html"]Nostra Aetate[/url][/quote]


The Jewish celebration of Passover is not 'empty' - it is the prefigurement of the celebration of Holy Week. Yes, we have the fulfillment and they don't. But there is a lot to it - certainly more than "superstition."

Edited June 6, 2009 by MithLuin

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='MithLuin' post='1884879' date='Jun 6 2009, 09:46 AM']The Jewish celebration of Passover is not 'empty' - it is the prefigurement of the celebration of Holy Week. Yes, we have the fulfillment and they don't. But there is a lot to it - certainly more than "superstition."[/quote]
Yes, the Rabbinic continuation of the Passover is empty, for it is but a mere shadow of the reality that is found only in Christ's paschal sacrifice. The rituals of the Old Testament, unlike those of the New, no longer contain grace.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='MissyP89' post='1884374' date='Jun 5 2009, 04:43 PM']What is it? If you're going to verbally blow me off, at least explain why.[/quote]

As a Christian you identity is Christ. Your Pagan identity died the day you took on the identity of Christ. Paganism must be abhor because it's false doctrines and theology is that of demons.