MissyP89 Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='USAirwaysIHS' post='1887549' date='Jun 10 2009, 12:01 AM'][img]http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/Images%20(101-200)/199-ClownMass.jpg[/img][/quote] You're bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' post='1887356' date='Jun 9 2009, 07:54 PM']What do you guys think about jokes at the start of a homily?[/quote] Let's see... it takes 2-3 minutes to tell a joke... and it's usually lame and has a point that only loosely ties into the Scripture readings... by which point, we've wasted a third of the typical homily's length, leaving even less time for the homilist to actually teach or challenge us. And for some reason, after opening with a joke, they usually go into robot mode for the rest of the homily with the typical and predictable "take home" message to be good and take out the trash. I'd rather a homilist sprinkle a little personality here and there and simply be himself. If you're not funny, don't try to be funny; if you are, then use your gift to draw people into the message and keep them focused. Good preaching focuses on the Scriptures and preaching Christ... be sincere and faithful... and God will each personality as he created it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Brother Adam' post='1887399' date='Jun 9 2009, 09:12 PM']I agree with Jiyoung. I would think jokes, once in a while, belong at the beginning of a homily, when appropriate. I would prefer to see the Mass end with a prayer to St. Michael myself. We need his protection as we are about to go back out into the world.[/quote] Following a Mass during this past Easter season, a priest I know who is both Dominican and Melkite Rite lead us in a three-fold repeition of the Eastern doxology, "Christ is risen from the dead, trampling down death by death, and on those in the tombs bestowing life!" I asked him about it afterwards... he told me that the doxology isn't approved for the Latin Rite Mass, but after he announces "the Mass is ended," he can say whatever he wants While I don't think he would exercise that privilege to tell a joke, I wonder if there is anything technically incorrect with the joking after Mass. I'm sure we've all heard priests make an announcement about something occuring after Mass and use a little humor in the process... seems the line is a fuzzy, grey one... like a cute li'l kitten... Edited June 10, 2009 by LouisvilleFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1887696' date='Jun 10 2009, 10:46 AM']Let's see... it takes 2-3 minutes to tell a joke... and it's usually lame and has a point that only loosely ties into the Scripture readings... by which point, we've wasted a third of the typical homily's length,[/quote] Where do you go that a homily is only 6-9 minutes??? Our homily is typically 20 minutes as are most of the churches I visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='Era Might' post='1887385' date='Jun 9 2009, 06:44 PM']I just want to point out how hilariously cool it is that Bishop Porteous used the word "corny."[/quote] Just to clarify this comment, I didn't mean to suggest that Priests should tell jokes at the end of Mass. I agree with Bishop Porteous, I think it's inappropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='Brother Adam' post='1887707' date='Jun 10 2009, 10:59 AM']Where do you go that a homily is only 6-9 minutes??? Our homily is typically 20 minutes as are most of the churches I visit.[/quote] Well, I can only go on my estimation... and since I'm used to 45 minute sermons, even the long homilies feel short to me. I would say 10-15 minutes is typical. Archbishop Chaput typically preaches 20 minutes (I download the podcast) and it's safe to say that his are on the long end of what I usually hear at Mass. But, I approximated 10 minutes because it seems like the homilists who open with a joke tend to be brief. I have heard homilies that, after accounting for the opening joke, the college basketball metaphor, and some other story, the actual preaching is no more than five minutes. At St. Meinrad Archabbey this past Sunday, I heard a homily about doubt... about why we shouldn't be too certain about anything. It was probably about ten minutes. I try to draw something out of every homily, but this was one of the few that left me empty handed, save for the irony of following a homily about doubt with... everyone standing to recite the Nicene Creed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcts Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1887479' date='Jun 9 2009, 10:31 PM']The only time alcohol is consumed during Mass is when the priest pours wine into the sacred vessels during the ablutions, which occur [b]after the distribution of Holy Communion[/b].[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) [quote name='Deus_te_Amat' post='1887454' date='Jun 9 2009, 09:41 PM']After receiving Communion, we become Living Tabernacles. The "building", as you call the Church, has within it a Tabernacle, which houses the Body of Christ. As do we. The Tabernacle within the Church makes the Church alive. I for one have noticed a different feel to a Catholic Church than the atmosphere found in a non-Catholic church....[/quote] As a past Eucharistic minister I also know you're not required to genuflect when you leave the alter because the presence of Jesus is as real in you as it is in the tabernacle. That makes me think though, if the priest is giving a joke at the [b]end[/b] of Mass, how can that affect anything? The mass is over by then. The question would have to be at this point: exactly when is it proper to laugh after Mass? [quote name='Resurrexi' post='1887479' date='Jun 9 2009, 10:31 PM']The only time alcohol is consumed during Mass is when the priest pours wine into the sacred vessels during the ablutions, which occur [b]after the distribution of Holy Communion[/b].[/quote] Not true. It's fully wine and fully Jesus. Edited June 10, 2009 by musturde Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleFan Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 (edited) [quote name='musturde' post='1887753' date='Jun 10 2009, 01:27 PM']Not true. It's fully wine and fully Jesus. [/quote] That would be the false doctrine of consubstantiation, which is what Lutherans and Anglicans believe. The language we use to describe Holy Communion the substance of Christ under the accidents of bread or wine. In the purely natural sense, the accidents are digested and have the same effect on your body regardless of whether they are consecrated or not... which means you can get accidentally tipsy In the supernatural sense, and when you consider what the word "communion" means, we are literally consuming Christ in order to commune with him both physically and spiritually. So they aren't fully bread and wine... they are more like veils. Edited June 10, 2009 by LouisvilleFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='LouisvilleFan' post='1887883' date='Jun 10 2009, 03:08 PM']That would be the false doctrine of consubstantiation, which is what Lutherans and Anglicans believe. The language we use to describe Holy Communion the substance of Christ under the accidents of bread or wine. In the purely natural sense, the accidents are digested and have the same effect on your body regardless of whether they are consecrated or not... which means you can get accidentally tipsy In the supernatural sense, and when you consider what the word "communion" means, we are literally consuming Christ in order to commune with him both physically and spiritually. So they aren't fully bread and wine... they are more like veils.[/quote] hmm... that makes sense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='musturde' post='1887753' date='Jun 10 2009, 12:27 PM']It's fully wine and fully Jesus. [/quote] Nope It's Jesus, but the appearance and taste of wine remains (accidents of the wine)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='StColette' post='1887893' date='Jun 10 2009, 03:22 PM']Nope It's Jesus, but the appearance and taste of wine remains (accidents of the wine)![/quote] I guess I remembered my theology class wrong.... But if the accidents are the wine and the substance is Jesus, isn't it still fully wine and fully God? Is this example correct? Accidents = body Substance = soul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='Brother Adam' post='1887707' date='Jun 10 2009, 03:59 PM']Where do you go that a homily is only 6-9 minutes??? Our homily is typically 20 minutes as are most of the churches I visit.[/quote] Wow. If a homily lasted that long here, the priest would get stoned. In a neigbouring parish one of the priests was told by his congregation to simply stop preaching a homily or else they'd go elsewhere...the Mass lasts 25 mins in that parish now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappie Posted June 10, 2009 Author Share Posted June 10, 2009 My homilies usually go for 8-10 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted June 10, 2009 Share Posted June 10, 2009 [quote name='cappie' post='1887950' date='Jun 10 2009, 06:33 PM']My homilies usually go for 8-10 minutes. [/quote] Really? I should be visiting sydney soon. Maybe I'll make the drive to go to your service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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