popestpiusx Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 I'll leave it at that for now so pople can read on. But if you want another source (especially JMJtina who asked for one) here it is: [url="http://www.mdaviesonmedj.com/"]http://www.mdaviesonmedj.com/[/url] It's an entire book, an exhaustive study of the alleged apparitions. For the record, I have come at this without bias. I am not somehow predisposed to dislike Medjugorje. In fact, I was in the not to distant past, a firm believer in its authenticity. That was until I actually studied what was going on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 [font="Courier"]Look, you can smoke us with all the “scandals” you want… you don’t think we don’t have scandals in our own parishes? You don’t think that if something holy is happening that Satin won’t hit that parish harder? You cannot dodge the fact that The Vatican is ok with Catholics visiting Medugorje today. For the sake of courtesy and charity, keep your biases to yourself.[/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted April 17, 2004 Share Posted April 17, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Apr 17 2004, 02:15 PM'] I'll leave it at that for now so pople can read on. But if you want another source (especially JMJtina who asked for one) here it is: [url="http://www.mdaviesonmedj.com/"]http://www.mdaviesonmedj.com/[/url] It's an entire book, an exhaustive study of the alleged apparitions. For the record, I have come at this without bias. I am not somehow predisposed to dislike Medjugorje. In fact, I was in the not to distant past, a firm believer in its authenticity. That was until I actually studied what was going on there. [/quote] [font="Courier"]Ok, I sleep now (I work 3rd shift) - I will read your link and then post after... on Sunday. God bless you. I am enjoying this exchange. Enjoy the weekend. -- LD[/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='Apr 17 2004, 02:02 PM'] You don’t think that if something holy is happening that Satin won’t hit that parish harder? [/quote] I didn't say anything about satin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted April 18, 2004 Share Posted April 18, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='Apr 17 2004, 02:02 PM'] [font="Courier"]Look, you can smoke us with all the “scandals” you want… you don’t think we don’t have scandals in our own parishes? You don’t think that if something holy is happening that Satin won’t hit that parish harder? You cannot dodge the fact that The Vatican is ok with Catholics visiting Medugorje today. For the sake of courtesy and charity, keep your biases to yourself.[/font] [/quote] Scandals in our parishes? Yes. Scandals in our parishes by people claiming to be recieving apparitions of the Blessed Virgin? NO! The Blessed Virgin defending the innocence of those priests proven to have been involved in those scandals? HELL NO!!! Come now, there is a bit of a credibility problem here, do you not agree? Biases?? What exactly are you referring to? The fact that I have quoted from the legitmate authorities of Medjugorje and irrefutable evidence of errors (or lies) frm the so-called visionaries?? How is that a bias? Facts are facts. You should be refuting the facts (as I have asserted them) instead of dismissing them as biases. If you choose to relegate them to the level of bias that is your choice. Perhaps a convenient choice? Edited April 18, 2004 by popestpiusx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_rev Posted November 22, 2004 Author Share Posted November 22, 2004 [quote]QUOTE (CatholicCrusader @ Apr 10 2004, 02:23 PM) ...at the message that is supposidly being sent out by Our Lady. One supposed "apparition" had Our Lady saying that "My Son loves all religions equally." [/quote] This is a quote that has always been misquoted from Our lady. I will try to find the info on this for you all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 why has Mary been appearing for 20 years? it's contrary to her charecter, not only because of all the approved apparitions being short but even look at her earthly life! she's contemplative and prayerful, she rarely speaks, only when she has something really important to say, and even then she doesn't repeat herself a whole bunch. i think these apparitions are dangerous and false, you cite all the good fruits but fail to mention all the tons of bad fruits. there's the new age stuff it inspires, for one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 [quote name='the_rev' date='Apr 9 2004, 08:10 PM']Master Altar Server, do you believe these apparations are happening, I'm thinking yes since you said it was awesome. The thing is I don't wanna say, O that isn't happening and then if it was, Mary may be awfully upset, for not believing in her apparations. That is all.[/quote] Mary would not be upset if someone didn't believe in her apparitions if they were doing so out of obedience to the Church. No private apparitions or locutions require belief as a Catholic. Some apparitions just happen to be approved as "worthy of belief." I know of some Catholics that really aren't interested in apparitions. They prefer to focus on the bible, the catechism, writings of the popes and saints, et cetera. One of my closest friends had been to Medjugorje in the very early 90s. She's a very faithful Catholic who attends Mass daily. I do believe God touched her heart there from the stories she told me -- but she would practice faithfulness to the Church above all things. She follows the Church regarding the matter and if they forbade visits or any association with the place, she would completely honor and obey that. Just because God works miracles and touches hearts in Medjugorje doesn't mean the apparitions themselves are necessarily authentic. God does these things all over the world. I wouldn't have a problem with visiting Medjugorje, myself. I wouldn't really place much emphasis or stock in the apparitions -- but as a place of prayer, and out of interest in the area, I would probably have a nice time. Again, I would like the Adriatic wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 [font="Courier"]Oh …so this thread is back Look – there is no wrong in devotion to Medjegorje. Can’t we leave it at that? So the Blessed Mother’s earthly life was quiet – true. Does this mean uneventful? We don’t know for sure because the Bible was written with a focus on Jesus. So she appears to some people in Medjegorje for 20 years, three kids in Fatima for much less time, and shares stories on the life of Christ with Catherine Emerick from her prospective of the Mother of Christ. Every event is very different. If any of you are not comfortable with Medjegorje (like my sister, Fonzmonster – for example), this is no problem – our faith does not require us bound to any specific Marian devotion. But, just the same, there is no problem with Catholics holding devotion to Medjegorje, as well as Fatima, and (as far as I know) reading Emerick.[/font] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_rev Posted November 22, 2004 Author Share Posted November 22, 2004 I found it when I searched my appendacitis threads... I decided to bump it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Aluigi Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 there is a very high probability it will be condemned as false in the future, so yes there is something to be concerned about and it shouldn't just be left alone and said, oh well it's fine for ppl to believe in it. because as Catholics we can also believe it is false, and if we believe it is false we should want to stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='Nov 21 2004, 09:51 PM'] Look – there is no wrong in devotion to Medjegorje. Can’t we leave it at that? [/quote] Not when it is not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='Nov 21 2004, 09:51 PM'] So she appears to some people in Medjegorje for 20 years, three kids in Fatima for much less time, and shares stories on the life of Christ with Catherine Emerick from her prospective of the Mother of Christ. But, just the same, there is no problem with Catholics holding devotion to Medjegorje, as well as Fatima, and (as far as I know) reading Emerick.[/font] [/quote] 1)Don't even think about putting this on the same level as Fatima or the Emmerich visions. Both are approved. Medjugorje is not. You just keep repeating the claim that people can go. I (and others) have provided arguments to the contrary. You refuse to address those arguments. You have yet to provide one shred of evidence that it is permissable. You claim that we should judge it by its fruits. I provided evidence that the fruits are not what many would have us believe. These things are dismissed. What it comes down to is that people have been pre-disposed to believe it, for whatever reason, and simply refuse to aknowledge that these apparitions are, in fact, at best, a hoax, and at the worst, a demonic deception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 [quote name='the_rev' date='Nov 21 2004, 08:26 PM'] This is a quote that has always been misquoted from Our lady. I will try to find the info on this for you all. [/quote] Please do. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted November 22, 2004 Share Posted November 22, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Apr 17 2004, 12:53 PM'] dispensed from his vows and expelled . . . by a direct command of Pope John Paul II . . .refused to accept his expulsion and continued to celebrate Mass, administer the sacraments [/quote] Sounds like an SSPX or SSPV priest . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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