Medjegorje

[popestpiusx]

Or just a priest from Medjugorje.

[mark3200]

Wow.

I mean, wow.

What a wedge that's been driven into the Body.

I could make a statement regarding declarations of Bishops, backed by Rome, but won't. I could reiterate the piece about apparitions in general not being requisite articles of faith. And will not. Personally, I'm not a big apparitions guy. Maybe I'll become so, but not so much right now. I'm holding out on this, as it may end up (in a century or two) to have the same result as St Joan of Arc's visions had. In the meantime, I'll concentrate on me and my fight to follow The Rule of St Benedict.

But what a wedge that has been driven into the Body.

Incredible.

And we just let it happen. Imagine that.

[popestpiusx]

Not all wedges are bad. A wedge must be driven between truth and falsehood. If those of us who believe Medjugorje to be false, and therefore dangerous, did not say so in charity, could we claim to love Truth or the souls of those who we believe are being decieved? This is not about winning an argument. Ultimately it is for the love of souls and our sincere desire for the salvation of all that we must speak out. To remain silent in the face of falshood is not charity, it is hatred of the worst kind. Sometimes we must drive that wedge. Our mission as Christians demands it.

[BLAZEr]

A sword is a wedge, technically . . .

"I have come to bring, not peace, but a sword"

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='BLAZEr' date='Nov 22 2004, 04:12 PM'] A sword is a wedge, technically . . .

"I have come to bring, not peace, but a sword" [/quote]
A fine, efficient wedge at that.

[Guest Mary]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Apr 17 2004, 11:08 AM' post='166147']

A Reply In relation to your comments on the priests who have impregnanted women (nuns),

Firstly it takes 2 to tango - both of free will! Regardless of it being true or false, right or wrong.
You only speak of how the priest(s) "did the deed" the women had free will too.

Secondly I simply have this to say, it's not up to you or anyone else to judge or pass comment or gossip further - it is not for us to say. This is only between the person and God and up to God to Judge those who judge others. We as followers and believers of God need to accept them in society and forgive. God is Mercyful and if He has forgiven then doesn't Christianity teach we must forgive and not pass judgement too?

If people are making money on this, then that too is something that will be between God and the people doing this, as for people who want to buy books, who want to go to Medegorie, who wish to spend money they do so by their own "free will" it certainly is not up to you or anyother indiviual to pass judgment but rather something each person will need to present before God Himself
- I am sorry would you rather we send you money instead? Then at least we have a ligit reason! because as far as I can see by your comments giving money to Medegorije or to you in what I can see is in your view point - it is the same thing, do I detect jealousy maybe - relax it's only paper God doesn't care how much money you have when you die - He is more interested in how rich you are in your spirit and soul rather than how material wealth one is worth!

As for all your other comments and messages. . .
Open your heart to the Lord and to Mother Mary and pray, pray my dear brother.
Pray for forgivness and pray that God be mercyful toward you, may He Bless You and Forgive you and all of us "for they know not what they do" - As Jesus once said.
"Forgive them oh father for they know not what they do"
As for the comments you make, I feel, is a never ending story with you. It is a topic which you support with all kinds of extracts from everywhere (i.e. books etc) but maybe somethings are better left unsaid and left for each to make up his/her own mind and be delt with God one day when the / their day comes.

And with this, I wish you all the very best and may God Bless You.
I hope you have not taken offense to anything but like you, I too wish to pass some type of comment - "Free Will" - Something we have been given by our Creator.



[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Apr 17 2004, 11:08 AM' post='166147']

A Reply In relation to your comments on the priests who have impregnanted women (nuns),

Firstly it takes 2 to tango - both of free will! Regardless of it being true or false, right or wrong.
You only speak of how the priest(s) "did the deed" the women had free will too.

Secondly I simply have this to say, it's not up to you or anyone else to judge or pass comment or gossip further - it is not for us to say. This is only between the person and God and up to God to Judge those who judge others. We as followers and believers of God need to accept them in society and forgive. God is Mercyful and if He has forgiven then doesn't Christianity teach we must forgive and not pass judgement too?

If people are making money on this, then that too is something that will be between God and the people doing this, as for people who want to buy books, who want to go to Medegorie, who wish to spend money they do so by their own "free will" it certainly is not up to you or anyother indiviual to pass judgment but rather something each person will need to present before God Himself
- I am sorry would you rather we send you money instead? Then at least we have a ligit reason! because as far as I can see by your comments giving money to Medegorije or to you in what I can see is in your view point - it is the same thing, do I detect jealousy maybe - relax it's only paper God doesn't care how much money you have when you die - He is more interested in how rich you are in your spirit and soul rather than how material wealth one is worth!

As for all your other comments and messages. . .
Open your heart to the Lord and to Mother Mary and pray, pray my dear brother.
Pray for forgivness and pray that God be mercyful toward you, may He Bless You and Forgive you and all of us "for they know not what they do" - As Jesus once said.
"Forgive them oh father for they know not what they do"
As for the comments you make, I feel, is a never ending story with you. It is a topic which you support with all kinds of extracts from everywhere (i.e. books etc) but maybe somethings are better left unsaid and left for each to make up his/her own mind and be delt with God one day when the / their day comes.

And with this, I wish you all the very best and may God Bless You.
I hope you have not taken offense to anything but like you, I too wish to pass some type of comment - "Free Will" - Something we have been given by our Creator.

[Resurrexi]

Our "Lady" of Medjigory is not Maria at all! It is a demon! The bishop of Medjigory even said that it was not approved!

[Guest phatdaddy]

Fellow Catholics.

At this point in time it is pointless to debate the authenticity of Medjegorje (M). Facts and reality are not going to convince a pro M person that it is false and these same facts and realities will prevent the non M person from accepting it's authenticity. So may I suggest the debate be tabled. There are good catholics on both side of this issue.

I also am a follower of Marian apparitions and apparitions in general and have been for 30 years. I have studied a great deal of them and actively promoted some, some to my detriment. I followed the events of M and have also read Jones and Sivric's books. I have formed my own personal judgement of the M apparitions, and if someone were to ask me for my opinion I would not hesitate to give it.

I have a right to make a judgement for myself and for my family who are under my charge and I have done so based on the facts and the "fruits" as I see them. The Church has judged the events and to say otherwise is to ignore the facts. We are all free to agree or disagree with this judgement of the Church, but it does not serve truth to deny what is factual, documented and public knowledge.

It's good that we continue to discuss Catholic issues trying to enlighten our minds and strengthen our wills, but this topic is emotionally charged and I have found impossible to resolve. In time it will resolve itself.

May I suggest again to leave this debate to others in another forum. The facts are there, for those who are interested.

[the_rev]

I will not say anything bad about Medjugorje, since I received my vocation to the priesthood there. Let me clarify that Bishop Ratko, who condemed medjugorje, doesn't even believe in fatima or lourdes, he said the Blessed Virigin would never appear on earth.

Finally I leave you with the words of Pope Urban VIII said, "In cases such as this, it is better to believe than to not believe, for if you believe and it is proven true, you will be happy that you believed, because Jesus and Our Lady asked it. If you believe and it should be proven false, you will recieve all blessings as if it had been proven true because you believed it to be true."