Most Adult Catholics Are Damned For Eternity, According To Most Saints

[Hietanen]

Matthew 7:13- “Enter ye in at the narrow gate: for wide is the gate,and broad is the way that leadeth to destruction, and many there arewho go in thereat. How narrow is the gate, and strait is the way thatleadeth to life, and few there are that find it!”

Luke 13:24- “Strive to enter by the narrow gate; for many, I say to you, shall seek to enter, and shall not be able.”


Scripture also teaches that almost the entire world lies indarkness, so much so that Satan is even called the “prince” (John12:31) and “god” (2 Cor. 4:3) of this world.

1 John 5:19- “We know that we are of God, and the whole world is seated in wickedness.”

It’s the sad fact of history that most people in the world are ofbad will and don’t want the truth. That’s why almost the whole worldlies in darkness and on the road to perdition. This has been the casesince the beginning. It was the case when only eight souls (Noe and hisfamily) escaped God’s wrath in the deluge that covered the entireearth, and when the Israelites rejected God’s law and fell intoidolatry over and over again.


The truth is that for those who truly believe in God, accept Hisfull truth (the Catholic Faith), don’t compromise it and want to do theright thing, it’s not hard to reach Heaven. As Christ said, “My yoke issweet and My burden light” (Mt. 11:30). The reason that so few make itis not because it’s that hard, but because they refuse to believe thesimple and easy things He has revealed, and do the simple and easythings He has commanded. Those who do what God wants and believe whatHe says realize that they are much happier than they were before.

But the sad truth is that almost all people are of bad will. Thisis why the saints and Doctors of the Church have consistently taughtonly a very small percentage of people are saved. In fact, the saintsand Doctors of the Church, even during the ages of faith, taught thatmost adult Catholics are lost.


Saint Leonard of Port Maurice [A.D. 1676-1751], on the fewness ofthe saved: “After consulting all the theologians and making a diligentstudy of the matter, he [Suarez] wrote, ‘The most common sentimentwhich is held is that, among Christians [Catholics], there are moredamned souls than predestined souls.’ Add the authority of the Greekand Latin Fathers to that of the theologians, and you will find thatalmost all of them say the same thing. This is the sentiment of SaintTheodore, Saint Basil, Saint Ephrem, Saint John Chrysostom. What ismore, according to Baronius it was a common opinion among the GreekFathers that this truth was expressly revealed to Saint Simeon Stylitesand that after this revelation, it was to secure his salvation that hedecided to live standing on top of a pillar for forty years, exposed tothe weather, a model of penance and holiness for everyone. Now let usconsult the Latin Fathers. You will hear Saint Gregory saying clearly,"Many attain to faith, but few to the heavenly kingdom." Saint Anselmdeclares, "There are few who are saved." Saint Augustine states evenmore clearly, "Therefore, few are saved in comparison to those who aredamned." The most terrifying, however, is Saint Jerome. At the end ofhis life, in the presence of his disciples, he spoke these dreadfulwords: "Out of one hundred thousand people whose lives have always beenbad, you will find barely one who is worthy of indulgence."

When Saint Leonard of Port Maurice uses the term “Christian,” hemeans Catholics, not heretics. Saint Leonard is repeating theconsistent teaching of the Fathers and Doctors: most adult Catholics(not even including the non-Catholic world) are lost. If this was thesentiment about the salvation of Catholics in the ages of faith, whatwould they say today? If you have trouble accepting the truthspresented by Christ through Saint Bridget and innumerable other saintsbecause “it’s just too hard to believe that this many people could bewrong or deceived and lost,” consider the teaching of Our Lord and thesaints above. Consider how much more true the teaching on the fewnessof the saved is today:


“Lucia found Jacinta sitting alone, still and very pensive, gazingat nothing. ‘What are you thinking of, Jacinta?’ ‘Of the war that isgoing to come. So many people are going to die. And almost all of themare going to Hell.’” (Our Lady of Fatima, p. 94; p. 92 in someversions)

Jacinta of Fatima, who had visions of future events, said that ofthose who would die in World War II almost all of them would go toHell.


Saint Anselm: “If thou wouldst be certain of being in the number ofthe elect, strive to be one of the few, not of the many. And if thouwouldst be quite sure of thy salvation, strive to be among the fewestof the few… Do not follow the great majority of mankind, but followthose who enter upon the narrow way, who renounce the world, who givethemselves to prayer, and who never relax their efforts by day or bynight, that they may attain everlasting blessedness.” (Fr. Martin VonCochem, The Four Last Things, p. 221.)

[Didacus]

I hope to make it to purgatory.



Welcome to phatmass by the way.

[homeschoolmom]

So you bring a message of no hope and doom. How refreshing.

[Hietanen]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='25 September 2009 - 10:31 PM' timestamp='1253907097' post='1972665']
So you bring a message of no hope and doom. How refreshing.
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My intention is to make sinners amend their lives. My message of hope is the [b]Church approved Revelations from God through St. Bridget of Sweden[/b], which can be read at this site:

[url="http://www.prophecyfilm.com"]www.prophecyfilm.com[/url]



[size="3"][i]About how faith, hope, and love were foundperfectly in Christ at the time of his death and are found deficientlyin us wretches.

[/i]Book 1 - Chapter 39
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I had three virtues at my death. First, faith, when I bent my kneesand prayed, knowing that the Father was able to snatch me from mysuffering.Second, hope, when I persevered resolutely, saying: 'Not as I will.'Third, love, when I said: 'Thy will be done!' I also had physical agonydue to the natural fear of suffering, and a sweat of blood left mybody. Thus, in order that my friends should not tremble at beingabandoned when the moment of trial comes to them, I demonstrated forthem in myself that the weak flesh always runs away from pain.

But perhaps you ask how my body gave off a sweat of blood. Well, in thesame way as the blood of a sick person dries up and gets consumed inhis veins, my blood got consumed because of the natural anguish ofdeath.Wanting to show the way by which heaven would be opened and how peoplecould enter it after their exile, the Father lovingly then delivered meover to my passion in order that my body would be gloriously glorifiedonce the passion had been accomplished. For my human nature could notjustly enter into its glory without suffering, although I was able todo so through the power of my divine nature.

Why then should people with little faith, vain hope, and no lovedeserve to enter into my glory? If they had faith in eternal joy and inthe terrible punishment, they would desire nothing but me. If theyreally believed that I see and know all things and have power overeverything and that I require a judgment for everyone, the world wouldseem repugnant to them, and they would be afraid of sinning in mypresence due to fear of me rather than of human opinion. If they had afirm hope, then all their thought and understanding would be directedtoward me. If they had divine love, their minds would at least thinkabout what I did for them, the efforts I made in preaching, how muchpain I had in my passion, how much love I had at my death - so muchlove that I preferred to die rather than lose them.

But their faith is weak and wavering, threatening a speedy fall,because they are ready to believe when the impulses of temptation areabsent, but they lose confidence when they meet with adversity.Their hope is vain, because they hope that their sin will be forgivenwithout a trial and without a proper sentence. They are confident theywill get the kingdom of heaven for free. They want to receive my mercyuntempered by justice. Their love toward me is cold, for they are neveron fire in seeking me out, unless forced to it by tribulation. How canI grow warm toward people who have neither an upright faith nor a firmhope nor a fervent love for me? Consequently, when they cry out to meand say 'God, have mercy on me!' they will not deserve to be heard orto enter into my glory. Since they do not want to accompany their Lordin suffering, they will not accompany him in glory. No soldier canplease his lord and be welcomed back into favor after a lapse, unlesshe first humbles himself in order to make up for his disdain.


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[StColette]

I would like to point out, so that there might not be any confusion for some Phatmassers not familiar with the Revelations to St. Bridget of Sweden. While the 15 Prayers given to her have approval for practice and for print, by order of the Holy See from the Holy Congregation of the Holy Office, the 15 Promises associated are not to be published or depended upon, because their supernatural origin cannot be determined by the Vatican.

WARNING CONCERNING THE "PROMISES OF ST. BRIDGET"

Marius Crovini
Notary of the Supreme Holy Congregation of the Holy Office

In some places, a little work has been disseminated called the "Secret of Happiness: 15 prayers revealed by the Lord to St. Bridget in the Church of St. Paul at Rome", published at Nice and elsewhere in several languages.

Since it is asserted in this pamphlet that God made to St. Bridget certain promises, whose supernatural origin is uncertain, let local ordinaries take care not to grant permission for publishing or reprinting pamphlets or other writings which contain these promises.

Given at Rome, from the offices of the Holy Office, 28 January 1954

Marius Crovini

Notary of the Supreme Holy Congregation of the Holy Office

[Slappo]

St. Collette, doesn't the Pieta prayer book contain those promises?

[StColette]

[quote name='Slappo' date='25 September 2009 - 06:33 PM' timestamp='1253917993' post='1972747']
St. Collette, doesn't the Pieta prayer book contain those promises?
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From what I understand, yes they are published there along with the prayers. The prayers are allowed to be published and promoted but by decree of the Holy See the promises should not be published or promoted because their supernatural authenticity cannot be proven. The Pieta Prayer book says the following "under sanction of the Decree of November 18, 1966, published in the Acta Apostolicae Sedis, Vol. 58, No. 16 of December 29, 1966" this decree refers only to the allowance of the prayers being published not the promises. The decree still stands against the publication of the promises.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='StColette' date='25 September 2009 - 04:18 PM' timestamp='1253913504' post='1972717']
I would like to point out, so that there might not be any confusion for some Phatmassers not familiar with the Revelations to St. Bridget of Sweden. While the 15 Prayers given to her have approval for practice and for print, by order of the Holy See from the Holy Congregation of the Holy Office, the 15 Promises associated are not to be published or depended upon, because their supernatural origin cannot be determined by the Vatican.

WARNING CONCERNING THE "PROMISES OF ST. BRIDGET"

Marius Crovini
Notary of the Supreme Holy Congregation of the Holy Office

In some places, a little work has been disseminated called the "Secret of Happiness: 15 prayers revealed by the Lord to St. Bridget in the Church of St. Paul at Rome", published at Nice and elsewhere in several languages.

Since it is asserted in this pamphlet that God made to St. Bridget certain promises, whose supernatural origin is uncertain, let local ordinaries take care not to grant permission for publishing or reprinting pamphlets or other writings which contain these promises.

Given at Rome, from the offices of the Holy Office, 28 January 1954

Marius Crovini

Notary of the Supreme Holy Congregation of the Holy Office
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Good info!

[Apotheoun]

No one is required to believe in private revelations . . . even those that have been given Church sanction.

[Hietanen]

[quote name='StColette' date='26 September 2009 - 12:18 AM' timestamp='1253913504' post='1972717']
I would like to point out, so that there might not be any confusion for some Phatmassers not familiar with the Revelations to St. Bridget of Sweden. While the 15 Prayers given to her have approval for practice and for print, by order of the Holy See from the Holy Congregation of the Holy Office, the 15 Promises associated are not to be published or depended upon, because their supernatural origin cannot be determined by the Vatican.

WARNING CONCERNING THE "PROMISES OF ST. BRIDGET"[/quote]



You need to realize that the promises to the fifteen prayers and the Church approved Revelations are entirely different. The the promises to the fifteen prayers has in fact nothing at all to do with St. Bridgets Revelations. No one even know who wrote the promises to the prayers, it was certainly not Bridget. The only explanation to this is that the devil, who are cunning, who hates the Revelations of St. Bridget, since they expose him thouroughly, made up these promises through one of his, for he knew that they would be rejected, and that people would misunderstand, thinking, that the Church approved Revelations (which is not obvious for most poeple that they are), may contains error and are not be spread... See how well his plan has been succesfull, and how many people do missunderstand. This should just make you even more curious to what really is written in her Revelations, since satan has tried to make them despised and neglected this much. Please start to read and find out, your life will be changed after reading these wonderful words of God,
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The WIKIPEDIA article on the fifteen prayers and promises will say the rest.


[b]The Fifteen 'Our Father and Hail Mary prayers'[/b]
Saint Bridget prayed for a long time to know how many blows JesusChrist suffered during His terrible Passion. Rewarding her patience,one day He appeared to her and said: "I received 5475 blows upon MyBody. If you wish to honor them in some way, recite fifteen Our Fathersand fifteen Hail Marys with the following Prayers, which I Myself shallteach you, for an entire year. When the year is finished, you will havehonored each of My Wounds."

The prayers became known as the [b]Fifteen Oes[/b], because in the original Latin, each prayer began with the words [i]O Jesu[/i], [i]O Rex[/i], or [i]O Domine Jesu Christe[/i].[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Bridget#cite_note-3"][4][/url][/sup]. Some have questioned whether Saint Bridget is in fact their author; [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eamon_Duffy"]Eamon Duffy[/url] reports that the prayers probably originated in England, in the devotional circles that surrounded [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Rolle"]Richard Rolle[/url] or the English Brigittines.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Bridget#cite_note-4"][5][/url][/sup]

Whatever their origin, the prayers were quite widely circulated in the late Middle Ages, and became regular features in [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Hours"]Books of Hours[/url]and other devotional literature. They were translated into variouslanguages; an early English language version of them was printed in aprimer by [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Caxton"]William Caxton[/url]. The prayers themselves reflect the late medieval tradition of meditation on the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passion_of_Christ"]passion of Christ[/url], and are structured around the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayings_of_Jesus_on_the_cross"]seven last words of Christ[/url]. They borrow from [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_Fathers"]patristic[/url] and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible"]Scriptural[/url] sources as well as the tradition of devotion to the wounds of Christ.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Bridget#cite_note-5"][6][/url][/sup]

During the Middle Ages, the prayers began to circulate with various promises of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence"]indulgence[/url]and other assurances of supernatural graces supposed to attend fromtheir regular recitation over the course of a year. These indulgenceswere repeated in the manuscript tradition of the Books of Hours, andmay constitute one major source of the prayers' popularity in the lateMiddle Ages. They promise, among other things, the release from [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purgatory"]Purgatory[/url] of fifteen of the devotee's family members, and that they would keep fifteen living family members in a state of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_grace"]grace[/url].[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Bridget#cite_note-Duffy.2C_p._255-6"][7][/url][/sup][sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Bridget#cite_note-7"][8][/url][/sup]

The extravagance of the promises made in these rubrics — one widelycirculated version promised that the devotee would receive "his heart'sdesire, if it be for the salvation of his soul"[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Bridget#cite_note-Duffy.2C_p._255-6"][7][/url][/sup] — attracted critics early and late. In 1538, [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Marshall"]William Marshall[/url]enjoined his readers to "henseforth ... forget suche prayers as seyntBrigittes & other lyke, whyche greate promyses and perdons hauefalsly auaunced."[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Bridget#cite_note-8"][9][/url][/sup] In 1954, the [i][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acta_Apostolicae_Sedis"]Acta Apostolicae Sedis[/url][/i] found the alleged promises (though not the prayers themselves) unreliable, and directed local [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordinary"]ordinaries[/url] not to permit the circulation of pamphlets containing the promises.[sup][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Bridget#cite_note-9"][10][/url][/sup]

[Apotheoun]

When the Church gives its approval to various private revelations she is simply saying that nothing contrary to the faith is contained in what has been said, but no one is required to believe that the private revelations are true, or that what is supposedly revealed - i.e., if it concerns predictions of possible future events - will necessarily happen. In fact, nothing substantive can ever be added to public revelation.

[Hietanen]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='26 September 2009 - 07:53 PM' timestamp='1253984002' post='1972981']
When the Church gives its approval to various private revelations she is simply saying that nothing contrary to the faith is contained in what has been said, but no one is required to believe that the private revelations are true, or that what is supposedly revealed - i.e., if it concerns predictions of possible future events - will necessarily happen. In fact, nothing substantive can ever be added to public revelation.
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[b][url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showuser=1212"]Apotheoun[/url][/b]


Have you ever read these wonderful words from our Lord personally? I think, that if you do take time to read them, you will not speak in such terms as to make people regard them little, since no one have to believe them... Please, visit the site and start to read these wonderful words personally!

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This book is a mirror inwhich the soul can see its stains and learn what is pleasing to Godand what displeases him. Read this book again and again and you willlearn how you must love God and your neighbor, despise what isearthly and transient, striving after the everlasting and heavenly,enduring for Christ's sake the adversities of this world anddespising its prosperity and enticements, thanking God in sickness,not taking pride in good health, not becoming presumptuous in goodfortune nor downcast in trials.

[StColette]

[quote name='Hietanen' date='26 September 2009 - 12:05 PM' timestamp='1253981159' post='1972976']
You need to realize that the promises to the fifteen prayers and the Church approved Revelations are entirely different.
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Please, read other poster's comments carefully. If you would reread my post you will realize that I said there's a difference between the promises and the prayers. I spoke of nothing regarding the Revelations to St. Bridget, but merely mentioned that the prayers associated are approved while the promises are not. Many phatmassers would not be aware of such information, so in order to keep them from possibly falling into something that they shouldn't it is good to inform them of such things connected with St. Bridget. Next time read before jumping to conclusions that are incorrect.

[StColette]

[quote name='Hietanen' date='26 September 2009 - 02:47 PM' timestamp='1253990827' post='1973016']

Have you ever read these wonderful words from our Lord personally? I think, that if you do take time to read them, you will not speak in such terms as to make people regard them little, since no one have to believe them... Please, visit the site and start to read these wonderful words personally!

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As Apoth said, Catholics are not required to believe in or follow things that have been revealed through Private Revelation. They do not belong to the deposit of the faith, and therefore aren't required by the faithful to believe in or practice, as beautiful and helpful as they might be. As the Catechism of the Catholic Church states "it is not their role to improve or complete Christ's definitive Revelation, but to help live more fully by it [b]in a certain period of history[/b]" (CCC 67)

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Hietanen' date='26 September 2009 - 12:47 PM' timestamp='1253990827' post='1973016']
[b][url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showuser=1212"]Apotheoun[/url][/b]


Have you ever read these wonderful words from our Lord personally? I think, that if you do take time to read them, you will not speak in such terms as to make people regard them little, since no one have to believe them... Please, visit the site and start to read these wonderful words personally!
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I place my trust in the definitive public revelation given to the Church. Private revelations are at most pious helps to faith for those who need such things, and - to be honest - I really have no interest in private revelation.