Most Adult Catholics Are Damned For Eternity, According To Most Saints

[Paddington]

Ziggamafu,

I liked the points you made very much. You really put it together well, so I won't be able to look at the topic in the same way again.

I disagree that somebody pessimistic about the topic is callous. They have their reasons that they came to be pessimistic. It is unlikely to be their preference (well, then they [i]would[/i] be callous as all get-out), although they may have trained themselves to "like" the view in a certain way after having been convinced.

Peace,
Paddington

[Winchester]

I just realized the best comment:

See you there, pal.


Darn it.esprit d'escalier.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='StColette' date='28 September 2009 - 12:29 PM' timestamp='1254162557' post='1973810']
Todd, are you familiar with these revelations to St. Bridget? I know he keeps saying they have been approved by the Church, but I can't find any documentation saying that they are, other than on the site he keeps linking to. I did find approval for the prayers for the Holy See, but not the revelations.
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I have read portions of those revelations many years ago, and I read them at the same time that I was reading the "Showings" of Julian of Norwich, but I do not really have any interest in private revelations.

As far as approval is concerned, I do not know if the revelations of St. Bridget (a.k.a. St. Birgitta) are approved, and if approved by what level of Church authority, but - as you already know - Church approval means only that nothing contrary to the faith is contained in a specific private revelation.

P.S. - I found Julian of Norwich's "Showings" to be more interesting, because her writings evinced a rudimentary understanding of the doctrine of [i]theosis[/i], or what she called "oneing" with God.

Edited September 28, 2009 by Apotheoun

[StColette]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='28 September 2009 - 02:53 PM' timestamp='1254164028' post='1973835']
I have read portions of those revelations many years ago, and I read them at the same time that I was reading the "Showings" of Julian of Norwich, but I do not really have any interest in private revelations.

As far as approval is concerned, I do not know if the revelations of St. Bridget (a.k.a. St. Birgitta) are approved, and if approved by what level of Church authority, but - as you already know - Church approval means only that nothing contrary to the faith is contained in a specific private revelation.

P.S. - I found Julian of Norwich's "Showings" to be more interesting, because her writings evinced a rudimentary understanding of the doctrine of [i]theosis[/i], or what she called "oneing" with God.
[/quote]

I'm somewhat familiar with Julian of Norwich, but not too familiar. And yeah, I know that Church approval only means that nothing contrary to the faith is contained within the private revelation. I'm just curious as to why, if they are approved, there isn't more documentation saying that it has approval. Most private revelations that I'm familiar with that are approved pretty much have that type of documentation plastered all over the place, easily accessible.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='StColette' date='28 September 2009 - 01:05 PM' timestamp='1254164748' post='1973848']I'm somewhat familiar with Julian of Norwich, but not too familiar.[/quote]
I enjoyed reading her book. It was filled with a simple, yet eloquent, wisdom.

[url="http://www.ccel.org/ccel/julian/revelations.html"][u]Revelations of Divine Love[/u][/url]

[quote name='StColette' date='28 September 2009 - 01:05 PM' timestamp='1254164748' post='1973848']And yeah, I know that Church approval only means that nothing contrary to the faith is contained within the private revelation. I'm just curious as to why, if they are approved, there isn't more documentation saying that it has approval. Most private revelations that I'm familiar with that are approved pretty much have that type of documentation plastered all over the place, easily accessible.[/quote]
Yes, that is a valid concern.

[sacredheartandbloodofjesus]

"Butnevertheless, O my enemies, because I have redeemed you with my blood and because I am in quest of naught but your souls, therefore return to me even now with humility and I will gladly receive you as my children. Shake off from you the devil's heavy yoke and recall my charity and you shall see in your conscience that I am sweet and meek."

This doesnt seem like a message of doom to me....

Did you guys read the revalations with a close eye? Maybe you missed that last line there at the end of the message. That can give a fallen away great consolation and hope.

[sacredheartandbloodofjesus]

There is a reason why God likes to tell us our punishments first and how evil our acts are and warns us of damnation....its so that we will be more open and eager to accept [b]his message of Mercy[/b]! This is scripture. Read the book of [u]Genesis[/u] and even the [b]Prophets of the Old Testament [/b] along with [u]John The Baptist[/u], [b]Christ Jesus [/b]taught this way. REPENT REPENT and believe in the good news. Notice how the call to repentance comes before the good news. This is scripture.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='sacredheartandbloodofjesus' date='28 September 2009 - 02:54 PM' timestamp='1254171263' post='1973909']
There is a reason why God likes to tell us our punishments first and how evil our acts are and warns us of damnation....its so that we will be more open and eager to accept [b]his message of Mercy[/b]! This is scripture. Read the book of [u]Genesis[/u] and even the [b]Prophets of the Old Testament [/b] along with [u]John The Baptist[/u], [b]Christ Jesus [/b]taught this way. REPENT REPENT and believe in the good news. Notice how the call to repentance comes before the good news. This is scripture.
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Thanks for confirming the fact that there is no need for private revelation.

[Winchester]

Hell is going to be so crowded. Probably standing room only.

STANDING IN RAZOR FIRE!

[Selah]

[quote]I agree. I would much rather focus on the Divine Mercy and live the commandments as best I can than worry about the fear of damnation. I honestly feel as though I cannot connect with St. Bridget of Sweden. This is not exclusive, either. There are other saints out there such as St. Gregory or Joan of Arc. I guess I prefer the ones who focus on Christ's love and mercy like St. Therese of Lisieux, St. Teresa of the Andes, and St. John of the Cross. I have, however, benefited greatly from reading St. Don Bosco's revelation of hell[/quote]

I have always wanted to feel connected with her, but for some reason, I cannot either. I do find it a lot more beneficial to focus on the Divine Mercy as well

Edited September 29, 2009 by Selah

[sacredheartandbloodofjesus]

"Quit while you're ahead. Not that you're ahead right now. It's an idiom. It means you're not ahead and should just shut up." -Winchester to Hietnan

Wow dude that was just plain rude and uncharitable!

[Winchester]

Thank you. I was hoping to match the tone of his maniacal condemnations and it looks like I succeeded.

Edited September 29, 2009 by Winchester

[Laudate_Dominum]

If a man tells another man, 'Out of my way'
Piles up trouble for himself all day
But all kinds of trouble come to an end
When a man tells another man, 'Be my friend'
Uh-huh
My friend
Well, what's it going to be?
There's a mile-wide emptiness between you and me
Can't reach across it, or even see
Someone has to take a step, one way or other
Let's say goodbye, or lets say brother
Brother
Brother

[Laudate_Dominum]

Please be friends.

[Apotheoun]

Can we all get along?