Jesus_lol Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/oct/01/lobbyists-millions-obama-healthcare-reform cause that sounds like a non corrupt system i would want to uphold. how is that legal? more importantly, why? 6 lobbyists for every member of congress? wooo, fake democracy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slappo Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 1.5 million dollar donations... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 C'mon this is America... we buy what we want now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddington Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 3rd party candidates pwn. Kinda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Propaganda and the games of the powerful elite are what democracy is all about; at least as I understand it. The popular mythology of democracy breaks down quite quickly in the real world (especially where capitalism is involved). This is it mate. And when we talk about spreading democracy to all the backwards countries of the world this means proper assimilation into the game; "playing ball," as it were; being appropriately integrated into the network of exploitation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Yea I never thought of that... We always talk about what good we're bringing to the world by spreading democracy, then we see this and were like how awful, but thats the name of the game... Oh well, I guess I'd rather have big companies trying to buy off a senator than Stalin sending me to the gulag. Where my libertarian brothers at... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 (edited) Wow, for once I am glad that there are lobbyists. I only hope that they can actually prevent passage of any and all of the Democratic Party sponsored public plan "reforms" of health care. Edited October 2, 2009 by Apotheoun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Let me be even more blunt: I pray that God will draw good out of the evil greed of our elected representatives in Congress, and that the attempts of the liberal Democratic Party at social engineering through a massive federal take over of the health care system will once and for all be defeated. AMEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jesus_lol Posted October 2, 2009 Author Share Posted October 2, 2009 because government involvement is always such a bad thing. sorry ma'am, your house is on fire, and we at the fire department would like to help you, but unless you pay our standard fee of 45 thousand dollars we arent gonna help you. or more likely, "we at fire insurance have decided not to cover your costs in putting out this fire, based on a preexisting condition." "pre existing condition?" "yeah its made of wood. smells of elderberries to be you." isnt a core part of christianity that the ends never justify the means? nothing good comes from their greed. they arent stonewalling this thing based on any legitimate principle(cause there arent many) they are doing it because it stands to make them the most money. its really confusing to see america, a place i always understood to be generally rightfully fearful of giant faceless corporations to be shooting themselves in the foot trying to save these ones. isnt this like Stockholm Syndrome at work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 [quote name='Jesus_lol' date='02 October 2009 - 03:49 PM' timestamp='1254516594' post='1976399'] isnt a core part of christianity that the ends never justify the means? nothing good comes from their greed. [/quote] God can bring good out of evil. That is why He permits evil to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 [quote name='Resurrexi' date='02 October 2009 - 05:03 PM' timestamp='1254517434' post='1976408'] God can bring good out of evil. That is why He permits evil to exist. [/quote] God permits evil to exist because eventually he will somehow negate or transform it? Does that not sound a bit contrived? No offense to Augustine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 I wish Kittiology were real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hassan Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='02 October 2009 - 05:13 PM' timestamp='1254517989' post='1976413'] I wish Kittiology were real. [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 [quote name='Jesus_lol' date='02 October 2009 - 02:49 PM' timestamp='1254516594' post='1976399'] because government involvement is always such a bad thing. [/quote] My invocation was very specific. Did I say "government" has no role at all? No, I did not. I support limited government involvement in many areas of life, but always subject to the principle of subsidiarity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 Sadly, many Americans seem to equate the words "federal" and "government." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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