What Is A Christian And Why Are We?

[Truth]

CHRISTIANS ARE THE BODY AND THE CHURCH IN CHRIST CHURCH: Those call by MY (Christ) name are Christian.

Authority and Inerrancy of Scripture and the Holy Spirit.

One and living, true God; in three persons; of one substance, power and eternity.

Absolute Sinfulness of Humanity.

Substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ.

General call of God to all men that they should repent and believe on Christ for their salvation.

Pardoning work of justification for Christ's sake alone.

Sacraments of Baptism and the Lord's Supper instituted by Christ for the Church's edification.

The personal, bodily return of Christ our Lord to judge the living and the dead.

The focus of the Church should be on Ephesians 3:10-12 and 4:3-13, DON'T MISS THIS ITS THE CHRISTIANS' MISSION.

You put any more than that you have a problem because you fall pray to man judgement and miss out on God will for our lives. Becareful and test what you beleive if it don't fix God perfect will its his permissive will and that not good enough.

IF YOUR CHURCH IS TEACHING SOMETHING ELSE YOU ARE OUTSIDE THE PERFECT WILL OF GOD.

It is the permissive will of God that the Catholic church stands, along with Jews faiths, Islism and others, but still standing.

Edited February 5, 2004 by Truth

[phatcatholic]

if i reply to this, are you actually going to respond? or is this just another opinion dump?

[M.SIGGA]

where does your extra-biblical gnosticism fit into all of this? there is a wonderful baptist minister that lives next door to me who would be more than delighted to give you some effective lessons in 'catching Catholics' because your efforts are finished here bud. you forgot that Christians will be known by their love, something your posts lack severely. Find Christ. peace.

[Truth]

where does your extra-biblical gnosticism fit into all of this? there is a wonderful baptist minister that lives next door to me who would be more than delighted to give you some effective lessons in 'catching Catholics' because your efforts are finished here bud. you forgot that Christians will be known by their love, something your posts lack severely. Find Christ. peace.

Do you mean love as you know it? or in love in truth? Because love in truth is to tell it like it is. I'm dont' think you have a clue bud. Go get some information that you can post from other sites. You don't know you know, you don't know!

[Truth]

if i reply to this, are you actually going to respond? or is this just another opinion dump?

I you go to the Bible and read Eph and come back with a view of your own, I will. If you are going to a Catholic site and come back with some thing that is not Scriptual no. I don't want to go back and forth about what your Cc teach. You view on the Scripture I will reply.

The fact that the Bible is without error. We both beleive it to be true and God's Word. We may have our own view, but the fact is it the base line. You Church is never going to be my Church. The teaching of your Church is never going to be true or correct in my point of view. I'm not going to win you for Christ, because of you devotion to your Church. OK! If you want to talk about Scripture lets go! Teaching wast of time.

[littleflower+JMJ]

thats a very nice view larry and i appreciate you sharing it with us but really thats just your view. one out of how many? how are we to know if A and B claim truth but are different? and that doesn't hold much because that was just your opinion and take on things.....i have opinions too but really they dont' matter, what matters is the authority and guidance Jesus himself gave us thru the one faith that is true.

so im gonna go with what Jesus Christ established, the Catholic church. :wub:

Luke 10:16, John 16:12–13, Matt. 5:14, 16:18, John 7:17, Rom. 12:5, Eph. 5:23–32, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13, Jude 3, Phil. 1:27, 2:2, Matt. 28:19–20, 2 Tim. 2:2,

God bless you Larry!

+JMJ

ps. i just wanted to comment on your first post. thanks for reading! :D and pax christi!

[Truth]

if i reply to this, are you actually going to respond? or is this just another opinion dump?

I you go to the Bible and read Eph and come back with a view of your own, I will. If you are going to a Catholic site and come back with some thing that is not Scriptual no. I don't want to go back and forth about what your Cc teach. You view on the Scripture I will reply.

The fact that the Bible is without error. We both beleive it to be true and God's Word. We may have our own view, but the fact is it the base line. You Church is never going to be my Church. The teaching of your Church is never going to be true or correct in my point of view. I'm not going to win you for Christ, because of you devotion to your Church. OK! If you want to talk about Scripture lets go! Teaching wast of time.

[Truth]

thats a very nice view larry and i appreciate you sharing it with us but really thats just your view. one out of how many? and that doesn't hold water because that was just your opinion and take on things.....i have opinions too but really they dont' matter, what matters is the authority and guidance Jesus himself gave us thru the one faith that is true.

so im gonna go with what Jesus Christ established, the Catholic church. :wub:

Luke 10:16, John 16:12–13, Matt. 5:14, 16:18, John 7:17, Rom. 12:5, Eph. 5:23–32, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13, Jude 3, Phil. 1:27, 2:2, Matt. 28:19–20, 2 Tim. 2:2,

God bless you Larry!

+JMJ

Yes, and that is your OPINION and that of other Catholics but just OPINIONS. I hope that you were not trying to prove this with Scripture were you?

[M.SIGGA]

you are not the truth because the 'truth' wouldn't back out of a debate. you have yet to answer any of my previous queries on other threads and your spontanious spunkiness to have a civil debate is a deception to throw in your anti-christian and gnostic agenda. i'll put money on it that you disappear with unanswered arguments for two weeks after this thread and 'reappear again when your previous threads have been forgotten. How you construct your arguments show that you are probably no older than 14 years old at the most.

[Truth]

thats a very nice view larry and i appreciate you sharing it with us but really thats just your view. one out of how many? how are we to know if A and B claim truth but are different? and that doesn't hold much because that was just your opinion and take on things.....i have opinions too but really they dont' matter, what matters is the authority and guidance Jesus himself gave us thru the one faith that is true.

so im gonna go with what Jesus Christ established, the Catholic church. :wub:

Luke 10:16, John 16:12–13, Matt. 5:14, 16:18, John 7:17, Rom. 12:5, Eph. 5:23–32, 1 Cor. 10:17, 12:13, Jude 3, Phil. 1:27, 2:2, Matt. 28:19–20, 2 Tim. 2:2,

God bless you Larry!

+JMJ

ps. i just wanted to comment on your first post. thanks for reading! :D and pax christi!

I went to the C/v that you posted and read them in context will you point out to me what you get from each of them. I don't want to assume your opinion or point of view and how it relate to the C/v that you posted.

[Laudate_Dominum]

Authority and Inerrancy of Scripture and the Holy Spirit.

One and living, true God; in three persons; of one substance, power and eternity.

Absolute Sinfulness of Humanity.

Substitutionary atonement of Jesus Christ.

General call of God to all men that they should repent and believe on Christ for their salvation.

Pardoning work of justification for Christ's sake alone.

Sacraments of Baptism and the Lord's Supper instituted by Christ for the Church's edification.

The personal, bodily return of Christ our Lord to judge the living and the dead.

Truth,

Let's talk about one thing instead of like 12 things at a time. Hmm.. What do you mean by the "Absolute Sinfulness of Humanity"? Do you have in mind the doctrine of "total depravity" as taught by some of the protestant "reformers"?

Thanks bro.

Peace

Edited February 5, 2004 by Laudate_Dominum

[M.SIGGA]

Flowery you mean well and you are sincere which is an amesome witness of faith but 'everything Catholic Church teaches and anything a fallen Catholic can say' has no merit on threads like this. the debates go absolutly nowhere.

[Truth]

you are not the truth because the 'truth' wouldn't back out of a debate. you have yet to answer any of my previous queries on other threads and your spontanious spunkiness to have a civil debate is a deception to throw in your anti-christian and gnostic agenda. i'll put money on it that you disappear with unanswered arguments for two weeks after this thread and 'reappear again when your previous threads have been forgotten. How you construct your arguments show that you are probably no older than 14 years old at the most.

Are you going some where with your personal attacks? As for you, you have been very clear you don't have a personal opinion, but are a go copy/paste guy.

Debate: To discuss opposing points, which two team argue defend and attack an give proposition.

I have discuss my opposing points, I have argue, defended and attack an given proposition.

I know that you agree with this right.

Disagreement is a fact of life. There is no family, and certainly no church family, free of disagreements. The question should be, "How can I strongly disagree in Christian charity?" It is how we handle disagreements, which makes all the difference. As in a healthy family relationship, so long as we respect the person(s) with whom we disagree, so long as we accord them the privilege of holding their own views, we may disagree productively. We all know that disagreements can be destructive, especially if people who disagree aren't honest with one another and show little or no respect for the other person(s). When honesty and charity abound, people find that disagreement can deepen dialogue, create new understandings, and promote growth.

I beleive that the truth is based on fact and opinion are your take on something. You make that the last time you call me or my views gnostic. You want to tag people that disagree with the Cc teaching (ie pro, gnostic, reform, non-catholic, anti-catholic). I am a Christian my faith is Christ teaching only. If you want to call me some thing call me Christian.

[Truth]

Truth,

Let's talk about one thing instead of like 12 things at a time. Hmm.. What do you mean by the "Absolute Sinfulness of Humanity"? Do you have in mind the doctrine of "total depravity" as taught by some of the protestant "reformers"?

Thanks bro.

Peace

Here go with the code words protestant/reformers. I'm not either I am Christian, a fellower of Christ teaching.

Man without Christ do not have the ability within himself to be saved from sins. The wages of sin is death. As shown by the Jews Gods people.

[Laudate_Dominum]

Truth/Larry.. I call you a christian, I consider you a seperated brethren. If you believe that Jesus is the Christ and all of that then I would call you a Christian. But I also hold that the fulness of the Christian Faith does not exist apart from the Catholic Church. If you want to be totally Christian, accept Mary as your own Mother, become united to the Church of the Holy Apostles through their successors, accept the Church that was established by Jesus Christ.

Dude, you are seperated from the Catholic Church and believe in the Bible without Tradition, correct? This is certainly a protestant idea. Do you believe that you have assurance of salvation? If so this too is a protestant doctrine. What do you mean when you say that we are justified by faith? What did St. Paul mean when he said this? I'll bet your answer would be based on protestant doctrine which is not what Paul meant, protestants (starting with Luther) read into the text their own doctrine. Luther made that stuff up and protestants follow that tradition. You are severed from Christ's Church! You don't accept the Mass, the Mother of God, the Bishops and Pope, etc.. You can say you are just a Christian, which is true, but you still have theological ideas which can be traced to specific traditions.

I beg you to ask Christ for the grace to enter His True Church!

May Our Blessed Mother, the Spouse of the Holy Spirit and the Mediatrix of All Grace lead you deeper into the mysteries of Her Divine Son.

Edited February 5, 2004 by Laudate_Dominum

[Laudate_Dominum]

Man without Christ do not have the ability within himself to be saved from sins. The wages of sin is death. As shown by the Jews Gods people. 

Amen Larry. This is a "Truth" that has been revealed to us by God through Jesus Christ and His Church. This doctrine is contained in the Church's Sacred books and is part of Her teachings. You have many of the Church's Sacred Books (namely the Scriptures). It seems strange to take some of a religion's scrolls and go off to try and start your own religion from these texts. The Scriptures are not a do it yourself religion textbook. They are a part of the Church's living Faith. To seperate them from the life of the Church is to do them violence. Come back into the fold Larry, I beg you! Christ wants us all to be united in the fullness of the Faith. To know Him in the breaking of the bread, to be united to His Apostles. Christ is truly present in every tabernacle of the world and Our Lady is your true Mother! The Saints are your brothers and sisters! Jesus Christ is Lord!!

[M.SIGGA]

Are you going some where with your personal attacks? As for you, you have been very clear you don't have a personal opinion, but are a go copy/paste guy.

Debate: To discuss opposing points, which two team argue defend and attack an give proposition.

I have discuss my opposing points, I have argue, defended and attack an given proposition.

I know that you agree with this right.

Disagreement is a fact of life. There is no family, and certainly no church family, free of disagreements. The question should be, "How can I strongly disagree in Christian charity?" It is how we handle disagreements, which makes all the difference. As in a healthy family relationship, so long as we respect the person(s) with whom we disagree, so long as we accord them the privilege of holding their own views, we may disagree productively. We all know that disagreements can be destructive, especially if people who disagree aren't honest with one another and show little or no respect for the other person(s). When honesty and charity abound, people find that disagreement can deepen dialogue, create new understandings, and promote growth.

I beleive that the truth is based on fact and opinion are your take on something. You make that the last time you call me or my views gnostic. You want to tag people that disagree with the Cc teaching (ie pro, gnostic, reform, non-catholic, anti-catholic). I am a Christian my faith is Christ teaching only. If you want to call me some thing call me Christian.

A Cult member would be the most honest, and I honestly though Gnostic was being polite.

You are a Gnostic, not Christian, because you wrote yourself that there is hidden 'truth' unrevealed in Gnostic Books that was kept from the Christian faithful by the Early Roman Catholic Church.

You not only dissed the Catholic Church but you also said a Gnostic book was truly inspired by God, which is equally blasphemous to Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant Christians.

This separates you from Christianity.

If I quoted Harry Potter or another noninspired source in a theological debate I'm sure you would lose creditabilty with me too. Where do you get this stuff? because someone has lead you down a long dark road.

Cut and Paste is the only way to debate with you because when your gnostic theology fails and you can't answer with a logical reply you disappear for two weeks and pop up again.

When you find Jesus the Fullness of Truth will set you free and you won't have to run away from debates all the time. Pray to the Holy Spirit for instruction and find Jesus Christ.

Peace.

[BLAZEr]

Authority and Inerrancy of Scripture and the Holy Spirit.

Where is that in the Bible?

Absolute Sinfulness of Humanity.

Where is that in the bible?

Pardoning work of justification for Christ's sake alone.

I don't even know what you mean here.

[phatcatholic]

larry,

you can't blame us for being a little skeptical here. afterall, evertime we give our proof, u disappear and we never get a response until u find some other post that u can plop down ur opinion on. i sent u a personal message w/ at least 5 different posts that i was waiting for a response in, so u should know exactly what i'm talking about, and what m sigga is referring to.

ur profession of faith is particularly interesting. Laut Dom has a good point about sticking w/ one topic at a time. that's the best way to be efficient w/ our dialogue. so i say we start w/ the first sentence in ur profession of faith.

Authority and Inerrancy of Scripture and the Holy Spirit.

its probably safe to say that the logical extension of this phrase would be that Scripture is the ONLY authority and the ONLY inspired word of God. if this is what you beleive, then lets start there.

prove that to me please.

this is dialogue, so that means that it is ur turn to respond now.

i anxiously await ur response,

phatcatholic

[PatrickRitaMichael]

I you go to the Bible and read Eph and come back with a view of your own, I will. If you are going to a Catholic site and come back with some thing that is not Scriptual no. I don't want to go back and forth about what your Cc teach. You view on the Scripture I will reply.

f you want to talk about Scripture lets go!

But what if my opinion on Scripture just happens to be the same as what the Catholic Church teaches? You assume that no one could ever have a personal interpretation that is the same as the Church's, which is not true. If you don't want to discuss what the Church says on scripture, then none of the Catholics can actually present to you our own opinions b/c they would happen to be what the Church teaches!