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Welcome, to the Phatmass Phemale Community, a place where women of all Charisms can come and live together in the same beautiful place. It is enriched by our different practices and devotions and sustained by our love for Christ. :love: Edited by JTheresa

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IgnatiusofLoyola    1,192
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[quote name='JTheresa' date='07 July 2010 - 04:51 PM' timestamp='1278539479' post='2139050']
Welcome, to the Phatmass Phemale Community, a place where women of all Charisms can come and live together in the same beautiful place. It is enriched by our different practices and devotions and sustained by our love for Christ. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/love.gif[/img]
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Thank-you for giving the PPC its own thread--a great idea! The Community may be imaginary, but it is still an experiment of how those of different charisms can live together, and find we have more in common than we have differences. The PPC not only lives its love of Christ, but also embraces the joy of Christ. Even if it seems like Dominican favoritism, I propose that one of the Community's mottos should be the wise saying of Thomas Aquinas, "It is requisite for the relaxation of the mind that we make use, from time to time, of playful deeds and jokes."

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For our Franciscan and Carmelite sisters, we have a few tree houses ranging from down by Brother Dirt,

[img]http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/uimages/sf/2-27-08-treehouse.jpg[/img]

[img]http://alina_stefanescu.typepad.com/_patrick_and_alina_weddin/images/2007/07/06/treehouse_4.jpg[/img]

to up near Sister Sky.

[img]http://girlonthepark.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/treehouse2.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.majorlycool.com/media/1/20080219-ultra-treehouses.jpg[/img]

And, holding in high esteem the value of [i]fraternitas[/i] we even have community tree-houses:

[img]http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/10/treehouses/image/09.jpg[/img]

Of course, if any Dominicans or any other sisters fancy tree-houses, they are more than welcome to them.

Praised be Jesus Christ!! Edited by JTheresa

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Okay, the community motto is now taken from the wise words of the great St. Thomas Aquinas

[quote]It is requisite for the relaxation of the mind that we make use, from time to time, of playful deeds and jokes.[/quote]

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IgnatiusofLoyola    1,192
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[quote name='JTheresa' date='07 July 2010 - 05:04 PM' timestamp='1278540297' post='2139053']
For our Franciscan and Carmelite sisters, we have a few tree houses ranging from down by Brother Dirt,

[img]http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/uimages/sf/2-27-08-treehouse.jpg[/img]

[img]http://alina_stefanescu.typepad.com/_patrick_and_alina_weddin/images/2007/07/06/treehouse_4.jpg[/img]


to up near Sister Sky.

[img]http://girlonthepark.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/treehouse2.jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00075/treehouse_thfoin_75605t.jpg[/img]

Of course, if any Dominicans or any other sisters fancy tree-houses, they are more than welcome to them.

Praised be Jesus Christ!!
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I LOVE these! Thank-you for finding all these pictures. I would love to live in a tree house, although right now, I couldn't handle stairs well. But, the first two look fairly close to the ground, and maybe, for those who prefer to live on the ground, there could be an extra treehouse or two for retreats or just for a change. They also look like they might be cooler in warm weather.

I think some posters have seemed to prefer a more traditional monastery, with cells, although personally, I think I'd be happier living in a hermitage, but joining the community for most prayer, meals, and recreation. I don't see why we couldn't have both. For example, on very cold days in winter, it might be more practical to move to a cell in the monastery. But, everyone should feel free to speak up as to what they would consider an ideal community.

Note: In previous discussions, we have mentioned that the Community has a generous anonymous donor, so that cost won't be an issue for decisions like this. I don't mean AT ALL that we intend to live lavishly, but that we can have fun creating our "ideal" community without constantly letting cost dampen our fantasies. I think that the different charisms of members of our community will probably mean that some will live a more spartan life than others. But, for example, I would love to have a chapel that is beautiful in the way it is designed, but, I feel no need for a chapel with a lavish use of gold ornamentation (although I certainly love visiting gorgeous churches). But, I would love to have a chapel with an excellent organ (and a Sister who just happened to be a professional organist "in the world,") just as we would have a Sister Cook who is a trained professional chef, and knows how to make simple, but delicious meals--both vegetarian and not. Was it in "This House of Brede" where the Reverend Mother said that "Penance should not start in the kitchen," (or something like that?) Someone who has read the book more recently can correct me.

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A more modern version

[img]http://www.patheticphotos.com/images/photos/redneck-tree-trailer.jpg[/img]

Although I like the old fashioned wood ones too. That looks like great places to live.

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IgnatiusofLoyola    1,192
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[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='07 July 2010 - 05:02 PM' timestamp='1278540135' post='2139052']
I propose that one of the Community's mottos should be the wise saying of Thomas Aquinas, "It is requisite for the relaxation of the mind that we make use, from time to time, of playful deeds and jokes."
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[quote name='JTheresa' date='07 July 2010 - 05:07 PM' timestamp='1278540473' post='2139055']
Okay, the community motto is now taken from the wise words of the great St. Thomas Aquinas

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I'm glad you like that quotation, too. However, I was only proposing that it be ONE of the Community's mottos (although an important one). I'm sure that we will come up with other mottos, as well, that will be among the words for the Community to "live by." I don't want anyone to feel that favoritism is being shown to Dominicans. Edited by IgnatiusofLoyola

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As for a community chapel, I've taken the liberty to start with one of the many smaller ones:

This one shall be called Our Lady of the Angels
[img]http://www.bouguereau.org/Notre-Dame-des-Anges-(Our-Lady-of-the-Angels).jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.franciscan.edu/imagebase/CampusLife/Chapel/port1.jpg[/img]

[img]http://douglawrence.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/portiuncula.jpg[/img]


Of course, the main chapel should be a collaboration of the many diverse members of the community.
And because of our great devotion to Saint Joseph, might I suggest that the main chapel be dedicated to him?

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IgnatiusofLoyola    1,192
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[quote name='Hilde' date='07 July 2010 - 05:35 PM' timestamp='1278542113' post='2139060']
A more modern version

[img]http://www.patheticphotos.com/images/photos/redneck-tree-trailer.jpg[/img]

Although I like the old fashioned wood ones too. That looks like great places to live.
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What a hilarious picture! Although I was hoping that one of the goals of the architecture of the Community would be "simple beauty." I guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I've always wanted to live somewhere where the buildings were designed to fit into the landscape.

Also, I think that particular "tree trailer" might have some problems in high winds.

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[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='07 July 2010 - 06:30 PM' timestamp='1278541848' post='2139058']
I LOVE these! Thank-you for finding all these pictures. I would love to live in a tree house, although right now, I couldn't handle stairs well. But, the first two look fairly close to the ground, and maybe, for those who prefer to live on the ground, there could be an extra treehouse or two for retreats or just for a change. They also look like they might be cooler in warm weather.

I think some posters have seemed to prefer a more traditional monastery, with cells, although personally, I think I'd be happier living in a hermitage, but joining the community for most prayer, meals, and recreation. I don't see why we couldn't have both. For example, on very cold days in winter, it might be more practical to move to a cell in the monastery. But, everyone should feel free to speak up as to what they would consider an ideal community.

Note: In previous discussions, we have mentioned that the Community has a generous anonymous donor, so that cost won't be an issue for decisions like this. I don't mean AT ALL that we intend to live lavishly, but that we can have fun creating our "ideal" community without constantly letting cost dampen our fantasies. I think that the different charisms of members of our community will probably mean that some will live a more spartan life than others. But, for example, I would love to have a chapel that is beautiful in the way it is designed, but, I feel no need for a chapel with a lavish use of gold ornamentation (although I certainly love visiting gorgeous churches). But, I would love to have a chapel with an excellent organ (and a Sister who just happened to be a professional organist "in the world,") just as we would have a Sister Cook who is a trained professional chef, and knows how to make simple, but delicious meals--both vegetarian and not. Was it in "This House of Brede" where the Reverend Mother said that "Penance should not start in the kitchen," (or something like that?) Someone who has read the book more recently can correct me.
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Good point. Being Franciscan I looked just for trees houses because that was my ideal (note: I edited the post with tree houses to include a community tree house :P ) I wanted to leave it up to the Dominicans and others for ideas on what a convent would look like. I'm having a hard time finding good interior convent images. :/ Let the imaginations run wild!!

[quote name='Hilde' date='07 July 2010 - 06:35 PM' timestamp='1278542113' post='2139060']
A more modern version

[img]http://www.patheticphotos.com/images/photos/redneck-tree-trailer.jpg[/img]

Although I like the old fashioned wood ones too. That looks like great places to live.
[/quote]
I saw that one too!! I almost put it up, but it seemed more funny than anything. Hilarious, but not very safe. :hehe:

[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='07 July 2010 - 06:37 PM' timestamp='1278542242' post='2139061']
I'm glad you like that quotation, too. However, I was only proposing that it be ONE of the Community's mottos (although an important one). I'm sure that we will come up with other mottos, as well, that will among the words for the Community to "live by." I don't want anyone to feel that favoritism is being shown to Dominicans.
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We will definitely need more than one motto; there are so many great ones out there!! You Dominicans are so humble that I doubt anyone would think that way. We'll have plenty of other charisms in the mix as to not hurt any one's feelings. (although right now there is an awful lot of Franciscan!!! Someone needs to help me out!!)

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[quote name='IgnatiusofLoyola' date='07 July 2010 - 07:30 PM' timestamp='1278541848' post='2139058']
I LOVE these! Thank-you for finding all these pictures. I would love to live in a tree house, although right now, I couldn't handle stairs well. But, the first two look fairly close to the ground, and maybe, for those who prefer to live on the ground, there could be an extra treehouse or two for retreats or just for a change. They also look like they might be cooler in warm weather.


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I actually knew a small community of Franciscan brothers trying to live St. Francis' rule for brothers in a hermitage(unfortunately they were not able to make a go of it after a few years of trying) who lived in tree houses in The Birkshire Mountains. They did itinerant ministry in the cold weather (in warmer places) then returned to their hermitages when heat was no longer needed. The owner of the land said they were free to use it as long as they did not build permanent structures on the grounds...hence, tree houses.

I love the pics....but I'm a real cenobite at heart...Benedictine to boot, give me covered cloisters, cells, a cloister walk and a cloister garden....but then again if it's for the sake of community...those tree houses look pretty nice. :)

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One possible wing of the convent:

[img]http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/46903000/jpg/_46903723_hawick_convent_interior.jpg[/img]

I'm still looking for images for the traditional convent, complete with cells, libraries (I of L can help me out here), chapels, dining, kitchen, courtyard, garden, grotto, etc.

Feel free to add as many pics as you like!

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[quote name='Hilde' date='07 July 2010 - 05:46 PM' timestamp='1278542808' post='2139069']
I think there should be a flying ship in the ceiling sailing towards the altar.
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Agreed! I also think that if the whole church isn't covered in gold inside than at least one chapel should be exactly like Bernini's chapel of the Blessed Sacrament in St Peters. I'd post a picture but pics don't do it justice just go and see for yourselves :)

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I'm really liking this chapel picture, I should go there someday...

[img]http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/06/9f/98/interior-of-la-martorana.jpg[/img]

an exterior view.

[img]http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/01/06/9f/97/la-martorana.jpg[/img] Edited by JTheresa

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IgnatiusofLoyola    1,192
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[quote name='JTheresa' date='07 July 2010 - 05:39 PM' timestamp='1278542350' post='2139062']
As for a community chapel, I've taken the liberty to start with one of the many smaller ones:

This one shall be called Our Lady of the Angels
[img]http://www.bouguereau.org/Notre-Dame-des-Anges-(Our-Lady-of-the-Angels).jpg[/img]

[img]http://www.franciscan.edu/imagebase/CampusLife/Chapel/port1.jpg[/img]

[img]http://douglawrence.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/portiuncula.jpg[/img]


Of course, the main chapel should be a collaboration of the many diverse members of the community.
And because of our great devotion to Saint Joseph, might I suggest that the main chapel be dedicated to him?
[/quote]

I like both of those chapels--a lot! You have excellent taste, JTeresa. Unfortunately, the second one might be more difficult to replicate in a new building, since (at least to me) a lot of the chapel's beauty is the fact that it appears be very old. (What chapel is that?)

And, I heartily agree with the suggestion that the main chapel be devoted to St. Joseph--for all kinds of reasons. (Although, with its different charisms, some posters may want to have a different patron saint or an additional one.) But, with the tiny bit I know, I feel that St. Joseph appears to be one of the saints that is especially revered by almost all charisms (please correct me if I'm wrong about this).

I like the name Our Lady of the Angels for one of the chapels. Factoid: When I lived in Los Angeles, people often called it "The City of Angels." But, the real name of Los Angeles (or at least part of its name) is [i]El Pueblo de Nuestra SeƱora la Reina de los Angeles[/i], that is, "The Village of our Lady, Queen of the Angels."

You've obviously given this a lot of thought, JTeresa. The rest of us may need some time to catch up, for example, to find pictures of monasteries, chapels, etc that they particularly like, or to give their own ideas about what they'd like to have in the community.

And, there are all sorts of other decisions: Habit--Is there one community habit, or do members wear the habits of their individual charisms. (I have no idea how any of this would work from a practical perspective--that's part of the fun of it being a fantasy). Is the community cloistered, semi-cloistered, active--or a mixture? And, of course there is the fun of picking names.

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IgnatiusofLoyola    1,192
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[quote name='osapientia' date='07 July 2010 - 05:50 PM' timestamp='1278543023' post='2139072']
I actually knew a small community of Franciscan brothers trying to live St. Francis' rule for brothers in a hermitage(unfortunately they were not able to make a go of it after a few years of trying) who lived in tree houses in The Birkshire Mountains. They did itinerant ministry in the cold weather (in warmer places) then returned to their hermitages when heat was no longer needed. The owner of the land said they were free to use it as long as they did not build permanent structures on the grounds...hence, tree houses.

I love the pics....but I'm a real cenobite at heart...Benedictine to boot, give me covered cloisters, cells, a cloister walk and a cloister garden....but then again if it's for the sake of community...those tree houses look pretty nice. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/smile.gif[/img]
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Based on earlier posts, I think there are others who would agree with you, which is why I suggested that perhaps we'd give Sisters the choice of living in a traditional monastery with cells, etc, versus a community of hermitages, or, as we'll probably end up, a mixture of both. For me, I like the idea of having a cell--for some reason, I find it very appealing, but knowing my personality, I would need to "get away" on my own on a somewhat regular basis.

One thing I do know is that I would want a cell--just a standard Sister's cell, nothing special. I couldn't sleep in a dormitory like the one in the picture--I need more "personal space" than that. I know that many people would be fine with a dormitory. I believe, for example, that the novitiate of the Nashville Dominicans includes dormitories (although I'm not sure exactly who sleeps in a dormitory versus a cell). But, I've lived alone too long to adjust to a dormitory for any length of time.

Another question would be whether members of the Community of the same charism would live together, or whether charisms would be "mixed." We like to tease Vee8 that the Carmelites might prefer to live all together, so that they have a private place to shed their "buckets of holy tears" all night, while others of us got a good night's sleep.

I also think that somehow, we would need to work some flexibility into our horarium, while still doing most things as a community. For example, some Sisters might want to rise in the middle of the night, or very early in the morning, while others would sleep through the night. (With myself, definitely among the latter!)

Also, as I mentioned earlier, some Orders are vegetarian--others are not. So, we would need to have a very flexible cook so that Sisters would have a choice of a vegetarian or non-vegetarian diet. My body needs meat. So, while I might end up eating more vegetarian than I eat now, I still couldn't adjust to a completely vegetarian diet (even if it included some fish).

It's a good thing this community is a fantasy, because I suspect in our design, we'll be "breaking some rules" in trying to come up with workable compromises.

BTW--I too, love the idea of a traditional cloister, with covered walks and a cloistered garden. Edited by IgnatiusofLoyola

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