Any Other Women Who Wear Only Skirts?

[Nunsense]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' timestamp='1331388401' post='2398618']
I wish I could feel comfortable in skirts, but I can't, I feel vulnerable in them. I have a closet of them, but when I put on one sooner rather than later I find myself back in my room changing.
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Yeah, I can relate. I actually feel too 'formal' wearing a skirt, like I am dressing up. When I go to Mass, I wear a skirt but as soon as I get home, I change into my jeans and t-shirts again!

[Vincent Vega]

I'm not sure a woman wearing only a skirt would do a lot to promote chastity.

[HopefulBride]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' timestamp='1331399271' post='2398700']
I'm not sure a woman wearing only a skirt would do a lot to promote chastity.
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. Leave it to you hahahahaha

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='MarysLittleFlower' timestamp='1327869404' post='2377102']
(Inspired by the veiling thread )

I rarely talk about this but lately I've been trying to figure some things out and maybe it could help to talk to other Catholic women about it

For some reason, in the past little while, I've been feeling drawn to wearing skirts rather than trousers. I'm not here to debate the subject, but I thought about how women have always worn skirts until recently, and it's how Mother Mary dressed, and I read how St Padre Pio wished for the women in his church to be always dressed modestly but he didn't agree with them wearing trousers. He would even turn women away from Confession if they wore them, or if their skirts (or any other clothing) were immodest.

I've always worn jeans, so switching to skirts was difficult at first. Also my skirts are kind of longer than what girls my age typically wear (they're all longer than the knee, cover the knee when I'm sitting, etc) and sometimes I do get self conscious and feel like I stand out. All the girls around me wear jeans or leggings: I disagree with the leggings lol, what a strange fashion

Anyways.. I'm just wondering if there are any others like me. And how do you put this into practice in every day life? What if your job requires you to wear trousers, etc? I'm trying to find a job that doesn't really have a "uniform" so I can wear whatever I decide to. But I know that there are many jobs that are not like that.

Any thoughts? thanks
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I am in full support of wearing skirts only. In my Priestly ministry or in my ministry as a Friar, I will definitely promote wearing skirts that go at least to the knees instead of these immodest tight jeans. And to be honest, I find skirts to be much more attractive. Especially ones that go all the way down to the ankles. Maybe I've watched too many episodes of 19 Kids and Counting?

Thank you for dressing modestly. You have my thankfulness and the thankfulness of all the men that won't be tempted to lust at you.

[Nunsense]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1331430166' post='2398895']
I am in full support of wearing skirts only. In my Priestly ministry or in my ministry as a Friar, I will definitely promote wearing skirts that go at least to the knees instead of these immodest tight jeans. And to be honest, I find skirts to be much more attractive. Especially ones that go all the way down to the ankles. Maybe I've watched too many episodes of 19 Kids and Counting?

Thank you for dressing modestly. You have my thankfulness and the thankfulness of all the men that won't be tempted to lust at you.
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I certainly hope that in your ministry you spend more time focusing on Jesus and the word of God than on whether or not women wear skirts. If a man is tempted to lust after me because of the baggy jeans I wear, then the problem is much more his than mine!

I love skirts. But as has been said many times before, and even in this thread, there can be modest jeans and slacks and immodest dresses and skirts. Jeans or slacks can be more practical in many cases. I agree that skinny, tight jeans are not modest, but neither are slinky, tight dresses and skirts. In fact, I would be more concerned with the amount of cleavage that women today tend to show, than on whether their skirts are split in the middle to become p.ants.

At my last job, as a caregiver at an elderly hostel, we were not allowed to wear skirts, simply because in our work, we did much bending over and lifting and other activities that would have rendered skirts unsuitable, even long ones. Our uniform was slacks and shirts (very similar to the scrubs worn by nurses in the US). They were modest and practical.

We just need to be aware of common sense, being practical, and being modest, all at the same time, and not become rigid and inflexible in our attitudes.

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='nunsense' timestamp='1331432123' post='2398908']
I certainly hope that in your ministry you spend more time focusing on Jesus and the word of God than on whether or not women wear skirts. If a man is tempted to lust after me because of the baggy jeans I wear, then the problem is much more his than mine!

I love skirts. But as has been said many times before, and even in this thread, there can be modest jeans and slacks and immodest dresses and skirts. Jeans or slacks can be more practical in many cases. I agree that skinny, tight jeans are not modest, but neither are slinky, tight dresses and skirts. In fact, I would be more concerned with the amount of cleavage that women today tend to show, than on whether their skirts are split in the middle to become p.ants.

At my last job, as a caregiver at an elderly hostel, we were not allowed to wear skirts, simply because in our work, we did much bending over and lifting and other activities that would have rendered skirts unsuitable, even long ones. Our uniform was slacks and shirts (very similar to the scrubs worn by nurses in the US). They were modest and practical.

We just need to be aware of common sense, being practical, and being modest, all at the same time, and not become rigid and inflexible in our attitudes.
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I'm not referring to normal baggy jeans that men wear. I'm referring to the skin-tight immodest ones made especially for women with words on the behind to attract men's eyes to that specific area. This is highly immodest, and these are the most common jeans I see women wear. They wear it because they think it's cute and that men will like it, but unbeknownst to those women, men don't care about fashion and they don't appreciate that the jeans look "cute", but rather they appreciate what they reveal.

[Nunsense]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1331435320' post='2398933']
I'm not referring to normal baggy jeans that men wear. I'm referring to the skin-tight immodest ones made especially for women with words on the behind to attract men's eyes to that specific area. This is highly immodest, and these are the most common jeans I see women wear. They wear it because they think it's cute and that men will like it, but unbeknownst to those women, men don't care about fashion and they don't appreciate that the jeans look "cute", but rather they appreciate what they reveal.
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First, I don't wear the [b]"normal baggy jeans that men wear" [/b]

but I also don't wear [b]"the skin-tight immodest ones made especially for women with words on the behind to attract men's eyes to that specific area"[/b]

There can be what is often referred to as a 'happy medium'.

And I think what you mean to say by this phrase:
[b]"men don't care about fashion and they don't appreciate that the jeans look "cute", "[/b]

is
" [font=times new roman,times,serif][size=6]I[/size][/font] don't care about fashion and [font=times new roman,times,serif][size=6]I [/size][/font]don't appreciate that the jeans look "cute",

Once again, it is all about common sense and modesty, but there are many interpretations of what this means. Just because you have a problem with lusting after women does not mean that all mean will do so when they see any woman in any pair of jeans or slacks. My objection is not to your taste in clothes but in the way you express yourself in absolutes in matters that are often simply matters of personal taste and opinion about what constitutes modesty.

Skin tight anything does not seem appropriately modest, in men or women but that is not to say that all skirts are modest or that all p.ants are immodest. Just saying....

Edited March 11, 2012 by nunsense

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='nunsense' timestamp='1331435830' post='2398934']
First, I don't wear the [b]"normal baggy jeans that men wear" [/b]

but I also don't wear [b]"the skin-tight immodest ones made especially for women with words on the behind to attract men's eyes to that specific area"[/b]

There can be what is often referred to as a 'happy medium'.

And I think what you mean to say by this phrase:
[b]"men don't care about fashion and they don't appreciate that the jeans look "cute", "[/b]

is
" [font=times new roman,times,serif][size=6]I[/size][/font] don't care about fashion and [font=times new roman,times,serif][size=6]I [/size][/font]don't appreciate that the jeans look "cute",

Once again, it is all about common sense and modesty, but there are many interpretations of what this means. Just because you have a problem with lusting after women does not mean that all mean will do so when they see any woman in any pair of jeans or slacks. My objection is not to your taste in clothes but in the way you express yourself in absolutes in matters that are often simply matters of personal taste and opinion about what constitutes modesty.

Skin tight anything does not seem appropriately modest, in men or women but that is not to say that all skirts are modest or that all p.ants are immodest. Just saying....
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I do not have a problem lusting after women, first of all. However, I have been tied to the back of the horse of lust and then dragged through sharp rocks for many years, and if women didn't wear half the things they wore, it wouldn't have been half the problem it was. I'm not blaming women, but I am saying it is mutual. If there wasn't such a huge temptation, it wouldn't be so easy to sin.

I am not speaking in an absolute way. I am not saying that women cannot wear jeans. I simply do not like jeans and think they're unattractive in the first place, and I am thanking this girl for her modesty and for her choice. Contrary to popular belief, I do not speak as if I am speaking on behalf of all men. However, I'm speaking on behalf of me. I don't like jeans. Is that such a terrible thing?

[Nunsense]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1331436566' post='2398941']
I do not have a problem lusting after women, first of all. However, I have been tied to the back of the horse of lust and then dragged through sharp rocks for many years, and if women didn't wear half the things they wore, it wouldn't have been half the problem it was. I'm not blaming women, but I am saying it is mutual. If there wasn't such a huge temptation, it wouldn't be so easy to sin.

I am not speaking in an absolute way. I am not saying that women cannot wear jeans. I simply do not like jeans and think they're unattractive in the first place, and I am thanking this girl for her modesty and for her choice. Contrary to popular belief, I do not speak as if I am speaking on behalf of all men. However, I'm speaking on behalf of me. I don't like jeans. Is that such a terrible thing?
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FP - take a step back and be honest with yourself. Did you not see how I took your own words and bolded them so you would see how it 'appears' that you are speaking on behalf of all men and not just yourself? I even offered a suggested way to say it, which is using the pronoun "I" instead of simply saying "men". "Popular belief" as you put it, is based on what you post, and if you state that 'men' think this way or that, you are in effect, speaking for men instead of for yourself. Keep to the personal pronoun 'I' and who can argue with you? you are certainly entitled to your opinion, as we all are.

As for the 'lusting after women' comment, I made that because your claim actually does seem to be that women are the cause of your lust. Let's face it, Jesus must have come into contact with many women who dressed in immodest ways if he was eating and drinking with prostitutes and sinners. He didn't use their dress as an excuse to lust after them. He still treated each one with respect and in doing so, taught them to respect themselves. I am sure that His behaviour towards them made some of them actually feel embarrassed and WANT to dress differently. Treat all women with equal respect regardless of their attire and you will be one your way to emulating Our Lord.

Since you have had a problem with lust in the past, then I understand your concern, but realise that the main source of your problem is within you, and that you can prevent part of the problem by practising a general custody of the eyes when around women who dress immodestly (in your opinion) or cause you to experience lustful feelings.

I do wish you very well and perhaps I seem to be a bit harsh with you at times, but I see a great depth of character in you that gets covered up by a Pharisaical attitude on occasion and I am just hoping that this fades away as you progress in maturity and the spiritual life.

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='nunsense' timestamp='1331437238' post='2398947']
FP - take a step back and be honest with yourself. Did you not see how I took your own words and bolded them so you would see how it 'appears' that you are speaking on behalf of all men and not just yourself? I even offered a suggested way to say it, which is using the pronoun "I" instead of simply saying "men". "Popular belief" as you put it, is based on what you post, and if you state that 'men' think this way or that, you are in effect, speaking for men instead of for yourself. Keep to the personal pronoun 'I' and who can argue with you? you are certainly entitled to your opinion, as we all are.

As for the 'lusting after women' comment, I made that because your claim actually does seem to be that women are the cause of your lust. Let's face it, Jesus must have come into contact with many women who dressed in immodest ways if he was eating and drinking with prostitutes and sinners. He didn't use their dress as an excuse to lust after them. He still treated each one with respect and in doing so, taught them to respect themselves. I am sure that His behaviour towards them made some of them actually feel embarrassed and WANT to dress differently. Treat all women with equal respect regardless of their attire and you will be one your way to emulating Our Lord.

Since you have had a problem with lust in the past, then I understand your concern, but realise that the main source of your problem is within you, and that you can prevent part of the problem by practising a general custody of the eyes when around women who dress immodestly (in your opinion) or cause you to experience lustful feelings.

I do wish you very well and perhaps I seem to be a bit harsh with you at times, but I see a great depth of character in you that gets covered up by a Pharisaical attitude on occasion and I am just hoping that this fades away as you progress in maturity and the spiritual life.
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You keep saying "your problem" ad such, but again, I have no problem with lust. I rarely have temptations, and I never lust at women. I am confident that if you did as Saint Thomas Aquinas' parents did and put me in the room with a hooker I would most certainly do as he did and chase her out. I have no problem with lust. My concern goes for my fellow men that are having trouble with lust. The ones that are going through the same pornography addictions that I went through, and the ones that are tortured because, despite how much they want to quit, everywhere they go they see immodest women that keep reminding them of the thing they're trying to escape.

[Nunsense]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1331437801' post='2398954']
You keep saying "your problem" ad such, but again, I have no problem with lust. I rarely have temptations, and I never lust at women. I am confident that if you did as Saint Thomas Aquinas' parents did and put me in the room with a hooker I would most certainly do as he did and chase her out. I have no problem with lust. My concern goes for my fellow men that are having trouble with lust. The ones that are going through the same pornography addictions that I went through, and the ones that are tortured because, despite how much they want to quit, everywhere they go they see immodest women that keep reminding them of the thing they're trying to escape.
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Well pardon me for saying so then but for a person who has no problem with lust anymore, you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about it, and about other men's reactions to women. I can see that you are sincere in not wanting your brothers to sin, but perhaps you are not aware yet that not all men are attracted by the same parts of the female body, and that even the mere sight a woman's ankle used to cause great lust in men of the Victorian age, and that Queen Victoria had all of her piano legs and other furniture legs covered with material (like skirts) so that men would not be tempted by lustful thoughts of 'legs'!

All I am cautioning for you is to be aware of the sin of pride masquerading as piety and to be a little less worried about the sins that others 'might' experience and perhaps a little more focused on women as people and not just sex objects who need to be clothed in a certain way so that 'men' won't sin (not you of course since you are apprarently without lust now).

I am sorry if this comes across as harsh - it is simply my response to your posts, and the extreme focus you seem to have on women in a physical way. Yes, clothing should be modest, but in both genders and using common sense. pax.

[PhuturePriest]

[quote name='nunsense' timestamp='1331439033' post='2398963']
Well pardon me for saying so then but for a person who has no problem with lust anymore, you seem to spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about it, and about other men's reactions to women. I can see that you are sincere in not wanting your brothers to sin, but perhaps you are not aware yet that not all men are attracted by the same parts of the female body, and that even the mere sight a woman's ankle used to cause great lust in men of the Victorian age, and that Queen Victoria had all of her piano legs and other furniture legs covered with material (like skirts) so that men would not be tempted by lustful thoughts of 'legs'!

All I am cautioning for you is to be aware of the sin of pride masquerading as piety and to be a little less worried about the sins that others 'might' experience and perhaps a little more focused on women as people and not just sex objects who need to be clothed in a certain way so that 'men' won't sin (not you of course since you are apprarently without lust now).

I am sorry if this comes across as harsh - it is simply my response to your posts, and the extreme focus you seem to have on women in a physical way. Yes, clothing should be modest, but in both genders and using common sense. pax.
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I know that women are not sexual objects. This is why I'm so dedicated to making sure they are not treated as so. Are you saying I treat women as sexual objects because I think they're so important and think the gift of their body should be seen by their spouse and their spouse alone? No man has the right to see the body of another man's bride. Women need to be treated as royalty, not as a picture to stare at for your own conquest.

[PhuturePriest]

And for the record, when I say that men do not look at the clothes, I do speak for all men. It is scientifically proven that men do not look at the clothes, but what the clothes reveal. It's how our minds are hard-wired. You can't understand because you're a woman and you're mind does not work like that, so you can't really sympathize, but this is how it works, unfortunately. Trust me, I'd love to be able to look at a women in a bikini and go "That color really compliments your skin tone." but I can't. My eyes automatically go to the bare skin. This is why we have created the beautiful art of looking at the women's face, or looking at something else.

[Nunsense]

[quote name='FuturePriest387' timestamp='1331439950' post='2398969']
I know that women are not sexual objects. This is why I'm so dedicated to making sure they are not treated as so. Are you saying I treat women as sexual objects because I think they're so important and think the gift of their body should be seen by their spouse and their spouse alone? No man has the right to see the body of another man's bride. Women need to be treated as royalty, not as a picture to stare at for your own conquest.
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FP - I think this conversation has become a little personal, so if you are interested in my opinions about what you post, then please feel free to PM me or email me and we can carry this on privately. You don't seem to 'hear' what I am saying and I don't want to 'beat a dead horse' on the phorum and bore everyone else. I think we have been through these carousel rides about the way you say things online many times before and they go around in circles and go absolutely nowhere in the end. You don't see how you come across and I can't explain it better than I have tried already, and I have seen from previous discussions with you online that not much that anyone posts seems to get through to you. That is probably why we ended up discussing your age in another thread. Some things just take time to see and understand.

This is my last post on this subject with you, but I am happy to discuss anything privately with you if you like.

Edited March 11, 2012 by nunsense

[Annie12]

I feel uncomfortable in skirts but also in skinny jeans. I like trouser jeans or khakis. I also realize that men are hardwired differently and for that reason i pay close attention to how i dress myself. if something is on the tight side in the behind area I wear something like a tunic to cover it.

[mme_hardy]

"[color=#282828]And for the record, when I say that men do not look at the clothes, I do speak for all men." Tom and Lorenzo of Project Rungay (now tomandlorenzo.com) would be very surprised to hear that.[/color]

[color=#282828]Back to the important issue: chub rub. I know a lot of women who recommend bike shorts. I really like BodyGlide (originally designed for bike riders; this is not a sexual product) which is comfortable wherever you have two bits of skin rubbing against each other. [/color][url="http://www.bodyglide.com/"]http://www.bodyglide.com/[/url] No, I don't work for the company or invest in it; I'm just grateful for the product.

[Carmelshrimp]

I can't believe we're still having conversations along the lines of "Men lusting after women is the woman's fault because she wears clothes that tempt". Nor can I take seriously the notion that the fact that my jeans say "Levis" on the back is going to make some otherwise innocent bloke commit the sin of lust because he might look at my backside when he reads it.. Why not go the whole hog with Tertullian and say women are the lowest of the low because a woman tempted the first man, so it was women's fault sin came into the world and therefore women were responsible for the death of Christ (yes he really did say that!). Surely the issue of modesty is one of self-respect for both sexes. My body is my business and I prefer not to conduct my private business in public so I keep it covered. Lust and how we deal with it is a matter of personal responsibility and it won't do to blame somebody else for our own lack of self-control. And I don't see how anybody can claim to respect women and then define them, not as individuals in their own right but as "another man's bride". Nobody has the right to look at my body because it's mine - not because it's my husband's!

[Annie12]

[quote name='Carmelshrimp' timestamp='1331815265' post='2401056']
I can't believe we're still having conversations along the lines of "Men lusting after women is the woman's fault because she wears clothes that tempt". Nor can I take seriously the notion that the fact that my jeans say "Levis" on the back is going to make some otherwise innocent bloke commit the sin of lust because he might look at my backside when he reads it.. Why not go the whole hog with Tertullian and say women are the lowest of the low because a woman tempted the first man, so it was women's fault sin came into the world and therefore women were responsible for the death of Christ (yes he really did say that!). Surely the issue of modesty is one of self-respect for both sexes. My body is my business and I prefer not to conduct my private business in public so I keep it covered. Lust and how we deal with it is a matter of personal responsibility and it won't do to blame somebody else for our own lack of self-control. And I don't see how anybody can claim to respect women and then define them, not as individuals in their own right but as "another man's bride". Nobody has the right to look at my body because it's mine - not because it's my husband's!
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I agree and since it is our personal responsibility to cover and control our selves, I think that when someone (no matter what sex) sees someone that is distracting because of their immodesty, I think that is where we have to make sure we not only save others the awkwardness of seeing something they don't want but it's also important to note that we have to respect our bodies and cover them accordingly. I don't want to be seen as a sexual object to be starred at and there are people with no morals out there who find it fun to stare at women who are not dressed modestly . I really think that if its too tight it should take a hike and if its too low (like in the neck line) it shouldn't show.

[Annie12]

And even the normal styles get women attention. If a woman looks trendy she may be labeled as 'hot". That implies that guys are staring at women in the wrong places but if women cover themselves, then that can be avoided.

[Archaeology cat]

Really, a woman can be cat-called, ogled, etc, whatever she's wearing. Pretty sure I remember such a thing happening to me when I was heavily pregnant, in late autumn, and definitely fully clothed. Now,this doesn't meanwe should just forget about modesty, for we shouldn't,but I don't think our motivation should be about how a man might react. Dress to respect yourself and glorify God, IMO.