New Carmelite Monastery In Oakland, Ca

[Totally Franciscan]

http://cal-catholic.com/wordpress/2012/07/30/new-carmelite-house/

[Clare~Therese]

Muy bien!

[VeniJesuAmorMi]

Oh, wow! This is very exciting! I was anxious to find out when and where the Valparaiso Carmelites would make their new foundation. They have 38 Sisters there now and will be sending a total of ten Sisters to California, and still with more than 21 Sisters in Valparaiso after that there are still plans for another foundation after this; perhaps in the near future. I'm curious to know who the Reverend Mother is or will be there is CA.

Edited July 31, 2012 by VeniJesuAmorMi

[TheresaThoma]

WOW this is amazing! Prayers for this new foundation!

[InPersonaChriste]

So razzle dazzle! God works in wonderful ways!

[Lisa]

Whoa, that's incredible! May this new foundation be leaven in the Oakland diocese!

[emmaberry101]

EDIT: User emmaberry here-forgot to switch over. Sorry for any confusion!


FANTASTIC! California needs these states praying for them desperately-all the US does, actually, especially with our current political situation concerning our conscience as Catholics. These sisters seem different than a lot of Carmelite sisters I have seen...is their habit any different than others? I do not know why, but they stand out to me very strongly.

Praying for them......their original community is so blessed with vocations. I can't wait to see where they go from here!

Edited August 1, 2012 by emmaberry101

[Chiquitunga]

Praised be Jesus Christ and the Virgin Mary His Mother! This is so wonderful!!!
I read about it on a blog some days ago, but it was only a sneak preview. Here there's a lot of their story. Thanks for posting it, Totally Franciscan!!

I heard they tried to go to Oakland before Elysburg actually, so this has been in the works for a while. I've been googling "new foundation" Oakland Carmelite for like over a year now So happy it's really happening!

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EDIT: User emmaberry here-forgot to switch over. Sorry for any confusion!


FANTASTIC! California needs these states praying for them desperately-all the US does, actually, especially with our current political situation concerning our conscience as Catholics. These sisters seem different than a lot of Carmelite sisters I have seen...is their habit any different than others? I do not know why, but they stand out to me very strongly.

Praying for them......their original community is so blessed with vocations. I can't wait to see where they go from here!
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Their habit is the ordinary Spanish one

Edited August 3, 2012 by Chiquitunga

[emmaberry]

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Their habit is the ordinary Spanish one
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Thanks! Do most US Carmelites wear the french habit, then? Or maybe it is just the angle of the picture?

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='emmaberry' timestamp='1343976957' post='2461924']
Thanks! Do most US Carmelites wear the french habit, then? Or maybe it is just the angle of the picture?
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Yes, most are from the Belgium/France line - [url="https://picasaweb.google.com/112954809546652959393/UnitedStatesFoundations17901990#5056127004945079938"]flow chart[/url] (an album of Carmels I put up a while back :j)

Edited August 3, 2012 by Chiquitunga

[Nunsense]

That's some great charts there chiqui - have you done one for the UK yet? It would be a lot simpler of course but it would be nice to see in chart format anyway.

Gotta love those Carmelites!

[Chiquitunga]

Nope, I haven't. I don't know the UK Carmels as well .. but maybe you can help I hope to read that book, [i]In the Silence of Mary[/i] some time .. but I'm still working on[i] Let Him Do It[/i] on Mother Maravillas for now.

A post on this new foundation from the father of one of the Sisters, [url="http://theyhwhwars.blogspot.com/2012/07/new-carmelite-foundation-in-oakland.html"]http://theyhwhwars.b...in-oakland.html[/url] July 24th was actually the feast of the Carmelite martyrs of Guadalajara (Compiegne is the 17th) Then August 24th, St. Bartholomew, is the day St. Teresa made her first foundation, San Jose .. 450 years ago this year!

Edited August 3, 2012 by Chiquitunga

[Nunsense]

Well, this site is quite good, but I don't think I want to do a graph. Maybe someone else wants to. There have been a lot of mergings in the past few years anyway. I know that one of the nuns at WV is helping Upholland get their documents organised for packing up as they are merging with the nuns from Golders Green who have been living with the Preston nuns for the past few years while the new monastery was being built. I might take a detective to get all the monasteries charted now!!

[url="http://www.carmelnuns.org.uk/"]http://www.carmelnuns.org.uk/[/url]



And from [url="http://www.carmelite.org.uk/Nunsinbritain.html"]http://www.carmelite.org.uk/Nunsinbritain.html[/url]

There are 17 Carmelite Monasteries in England, 6 in Scotland and 1 in Wales. Almost 400 nuns live in these 24 Carmels, their lives dedicated to prayer in silence and solitude.

The history of the Carmelite Nuns in Great Britain follows two distinct lines.

The sisters in Lanherne and Darlington trace their roots back to Belgium and were established in England in the 18th century. The second link is with France. The Carmels in London, Golders Green and Notting Hill, were founded from the Carmels of Lyons and Paris respectively in the 19th century.

Most of the other Carmels were founded from Notting Hill between 1907 and 1938. Four houses were founded from other Carmels in more recent years between 1953 and 1983.
[img]http://i860.photobucket.com/albums/ab166/nunsense/maps8.gif[/img]

Edited August 3, 2012 by nunsense

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

When I think of what makes the Valparaiso and Elysburg Carmels unique (at least in the U.S.--no clue about other countries) is the fact that these two Communities use the Traditional Latin Mass (with an FSSP priest). (Yes, I know there is at least one other Community of nuns in the U.S. that uses the Latin Mass (but not Carmelite nuns). However, but at least in the past this Community was considered a secedivist(sp?) Community--not sure of their current status--or their name, for that matter. LOL) Back to the Carmelites--I assume the fact that Valparaiso and Elysburg use the Traditional Latin Mass also means their LOTH are are also in Latin.

I'm the last person who should be attempting a comment on this because I am VERY ignorant about the Carmelites. Heck, I'm totally ignorant about most Orders/Communities, except that I have about a preschooler's level of knowledge about a couple of Dominican Communities. But, there are a number of "Carmelite experts" on VS whom I hope will correct any mistakes I've made, and mention any other ways that Valparaiso and Elysburg may be unique in addition to their habit (which I didn't know about), as well as their use of the Traditional Latin Mass. (Heck, I think I'm pretty unusual for a non-Catholic that I even know what the initials "Traditional Latin Mass" mean! )

[IgnatiusofLoyola]

Note: The misspelled word in my previous post was sedevacanist. I found the correct spelling too late to correct it.

[VeniJesuAmorMi]

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I assume the fact that Valparaiso and Elysburg use the Traditional Latin Mass also means their LOTH are are also in Latin.[/quote]

Yes, they both pray all of the Hours only in Latin. The only Office books they use are of the Ancient Carmelite Rite which the Carmelite Monks reprinted for them as they also use these books. I believe they are the only Carmels in the world that still use them. They also have the Martryology for Prime everyday. I don't know how Matins works with other Orders, maybe the same as theirs, but they have 9 Psalms with 3 readings, except on 1st and 2nd Class Feast days when there are still 9 Psalms but also 9 readings; 3 in-between each 3 Psalms. And of course the Te Deum. On First Class Feasts Lauds is sung, and sometimes the Invitatory for Matins (Pslam 94; Venite Exsultemus) with its Antiphon is sung also, sometimes also the Te Deum. There is much more about the traditions they use; but I don't know if I could explain it all well enough....

[emmaberry]

[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1344013665' post='2462118']
Yes, most are from the Belgium/France line - [url="https://picasaweb.google.com/112954809546652959393/UnitedStatesFoundations17901990#5056127004945079938"]flow chart[/url] (an album of Carmels I put up a while back :j)
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WOW. You're right-that is a ton of French Carmels. I prefer the original Spanish habit, but of course that is a very minor external thing. When I first watched the mini series on Saint Teresa of Avila and Saint Teresa de los Andes, I thought it was so strange how their veil was tucked into the scapular. By the end of the films I found it very endearing and now I prefer it!

Thanks for the chart, I am sure a lot of people have found it very useful concerning US Carmels!

[Chiquitunga]

First, nunsense thanks for the info on UK Carmels and the picture! I need to learn more about them. Also, I was just realizing the other day, you probably thought I made that US foundations chart myself. Ha, no! What work that would take! No, I scanned it from this book, https://picasaweb.google.com/112954809546652959393/UnitedStatesFoundations17901990#5056462841322856610

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When I first watched the mini series on Saint Teresa of Avila and Saint Teresa de los Andes, I thought it was so strange how their veil was tucked into the scapular. By the end of the films I found it very endearing and now I prefer it![/quote]

French Carmels tuck in the "day veil" as I've heard it called, too (one example, [url="http://www.eriercd.org/carmelites4.asp"]Erie, PA[/url]) I've only seen a few occasions where they seem to wear it out most of the time, like [url="http://www.kirkedge.org.uk/rec.html"]Kirk Edge[/url] or Terre Haute and in some really old pictures from French Carmels like Lisieux (but then I've seen old pictures from French Carmels where they have it tucked under too) Then the larger veil goes over this (worn at particular times like at Mass, when they are out, like these nuns in Oakland were, when greeting visitors in the parlor <-- some don't though, but more traditional ones generally do)

[emmaberry]

[quote name='Chiquitunga' timestamp='1344232156' post='2463345']
French Carmels tuck in the "day veil" as I've heard it called, too (one example, [url="http://www.eriercd.org/carmelites4.asp"]Erie, PA[/url]) I've only seen a few occasions where they seem to wear it out most of the time, like [url="http://www.kirkedge.org.uk/rec.html"]Kirk Edge[/url] or Terre Haute and in some really old pictures from French Carmels like Lisieux (but then I've seen old pictures from French Carmels where they have it tucked under too) Then the larger veil goes over this (worn at particular times like at Mass, when they are out, like these nuns in Oakland were, when greeting visitors in the parlor <-- some don't though, but more traditional ones generally do)
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Whew! I thought you made the chart.. I got tired just looking at it.

That is good to know about the French Carmel's veil customs. The nun I spoke with at the Arlington, TX Carmel had her veil tucked in and I thought, "What's wrong with the veil???" I wonder whether they are Spanish or French. Off to check the chart!

[Chiquitunga]

[quote name='emmaberry' timestamp='1344232730' post='2463349']
Whew! I thought you made the chart.. I got tired just looking at it.

That is good to know about the French Carmel's veil customs. The nun I spoke with at the Arlington, TX Carmel had her veil tucked in and I thought, "What's wrong with the veil???" I wonder whether they are Spanish or French. Off to check the chart!
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Did you find them yet? They're on the bottom right on the Belgian/French chart, listed as Fort Worth. Okay, better get to sleep for now ..