All Dogs Go To Heaven?

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='aalpha1989' date='09 November 2009 - 07:28 AM' timestamp='1257712127' post='1998304']
If he's anything like his owner, I'm sure he's forgotten all about that thing called "Tradition". Maybe he should watch the Fiddler on the Roof?


On Topic:

Servus, we know that the souls of animals die when their bodies die. Like man, the rest of creation is fallen and is subject to death. Christ died for the redemption of the cosmos, but not for individual animals. These animals (and plants, for that matter) are dead forever, and cannot share in Christ's baptism to new life. They were not created in His Image and Likeness; salvation is not something they can achieve.

As I said before, we don't know if animals are in heaven. We only know that [i]if[/i] there are animals in heaven (and I think there's a good chance there are), they [i]are not [/i]the individuals that lived and died on this earth.
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How do you know this? I always imagined that the life in a flower is a miracle. God created the flower and the Holy Spirit gave it life. When the life leaves the flower it returns to the Father from which all things were made. This does not mean that the flower will appear in heaven, but the life that was in it will collectively exist forever.

[MIKolbe]

FTR, Mendelberg HAS seen Fiddler on the Roof.

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' date='08 November 2009 - 04:47 PM' timestamp='1257716869' post='1998379']
How do you know this? I always imagined that the life in a flower is a miracle. God created the flower and the Holy Spirit gave it life. When the life leaves the flower it returns to the Father from which all things were made. This does not mean that the flower will appear in heaven, but the life that was in it will collectively exist forever.
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I don't think I quite understand what you are saying. "collectively"?

Mendelberg wasn't moved to start adhering to orthodox judaism by the song "Tradition"?

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='aalpha1989' date='09 November 2009 - 05:17 PM' timestamp='1257747429' post='1998695']
I don't think I quite understand what you are saying. "collectively"?

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The life force of all living things becomes ONE with God. Sleeping in Christ if you like. We (humans) get our individually back after our resurrection???? This theory of course could be quite wrong it's just from my own imagination.
I would still like to know how you can say that my cats which were intelligent, self aware and full of love have ceased to exist. What is the source of your conclusion?

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='08 November 2009 - 02:48 AM' timestamp='1257608915' post='1997721']
do only catholic dogs?
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Only if they have bitten a Jehovah witness at the front gate.

Edited November 9, 2009 by Mark of the Cross

[elizabeth09]

No, but human race does.

[Mark of the Cross]

Then I heard [i]every creature in heaven[/i] and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing:

Can somebody quote a scripture or teaching that says that animals have only corporeal souls and do not go to heaven? I'm curious. [img]http://www.depressionforums.org/forums/style_emoticons/default/taz.gif[/img][img]http://www.depressionforums.org/forums/style_emoticons/default/cat_jumps.gif[/img][img]http://www.depressionforums.org/forums/style_emoticons/default/rudolf.gif[/img]

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' date='18 December 2009 - 09:39 PM' timestamp='1261193981' post='2022949']
Then I heard [i]every creature in heaven[/i] and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing:

Can somebody quote a scripture or teaching that says that animals have only corporeal souls and do not go to heaven? I'm curious. [img]http://www.depressionforums.org/forums/style_emoticons/default/taz.gif[/img][img]http://www.depressionforums.org/forums/style_emoticons/default/cat_jumps.gif[/img][img]http://www.depressionforums.org/forums/style_emoticons/default/rudolf.gif[/img]
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I can't do that, but we both know that there are a variety of passages that indicate the uniqueness and special place in Creation that Man has been given.

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='19 December 2009 - 02:41 PM' timestamp='1261194071' post='2022951']
I can't do that, but we both know that there are a variety of passages that indicate the uniqueness and special place in Creation that Man has been given.
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I know, but when I asked one of our new Catholics, she replied "It's your paradise, if you want your pets you will probably have them." Pretty wise for a newby, I thought. I guess what it means is that it wouldn't be paradise to us if something we loved and missed wasn't there. Could be wrong of course since we don't know what paradise is like except that it is different from anything we imagined on earth.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Mark of the Cross' date='18 December 2009 - 09:50 PM' timestamp='1261194606' post='2022958']
I know, but when I asked one of our new Catholics, she replied "It's your paradise, if you want your pets you will probably have them." Pretty wise for a newby, I thought. I guess what it means is that it wouldn't be paradise to us if something we loved and missed wasn't there. Could be wrong of course since we don't know what paradise is like except that it is different from anything we imagined on earth.
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Sure, maybe we can imagine some kind of pets..... although personally I think that's too limiting on what heaven is like.
Even if we grant that there may be 'pets' in heaven though, it doesn't follow that the 'pets' in heaven have the same souls as pets on earth, right?

[journeyman]

C. S. Lewis wrote:
Nor am I greatly moved by jocular inquiries such as 'Where will you put all the mosquitoes?'--
a question to be answered on its own level by pointing out that, if the worst came to the worst, a heaven for
mosquitoes and a hell for men could very conveniently be combined.
The Problem of Pain
chapter 9 'Animal Pain'

[img]http://www.books-about-california.com/Images/Paul_Bunyan/Mosquito_Bee.gif[/img]

[Selah]

Dogs go to hell.

Cats go to heaven

*runs away*

[Mark of the Cross]

[quote name='Selah' date='27 December 2009 - 05:02 AM' timestamp='1261850564' post='2026251']
Dogs go to hell.

Cats go to heaven

*runs away*
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I agree!

Runs away with you! [img]http://www.websmileys.com/sm/animal/454.gif[/img]

[T-Bone _]

Can furries go to Heaven?

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='T-Bone _' date='27 December 2009 - 09:57 PM' timestamp='1261972674' post='2026760']
Can furries go to Heaven?
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[Happy_Catholic]

One time I was in mass with my dad and brother when a dog ran in and ran up to the altar. It sat down, quietly and seemed to be enjoying, as dogs do, the gospel of the Lord. I laughed, and said to my dad "Hey! Look at that dog!!"

Turns out it was MY dog!!

She would often escape our house and come to church, sometimes sit inside, other times outside. Everyone got a laugh and since she didn't cause any animal related mayhem no one got their panties in a bunch.

She died a few years ago. I don't know if she's in Heaven, but she certainly liked going to mass.

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='aalpha1989' date='08 November 2009 - 10:03 AM' timestamp='1257692609' post='1998191']
well, from the CCC:

284 Jason's dog doesn't go to heaven.
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Thanks a lot Aalpha, I was drinking a coke when I read this and the resulting chuckle forced me to shoot soda out my nostrils, one should warn about hilarity in a thread to avoid accidents. On another note I seen the catholic church signs in a post on some picture site, a series of signs where someone at the church, hopefully not the priest , posted signs in an argument between a rival protestant church dealing with dog souls and their making it to heaven, the protestant church was right on this, the argument degraded into nonsense ending with "only catholic dogs get to heaven". I was truly embarrassed.

ed

[Ed Normile]

[quote name='journeyman' date='26 December 2009 - 12:59 PM' timestamp='1261850375' post='2026247']
C. S. Lewis wrote:
Nor am I greatly moved by jocular inquiries such as 'Where will you put all the mosquitoes?'--
a question to be answered on its own level by pointing out that, if the worst came to the worst, a heaven for
mosquitoes and a hell for men could very conveniently be combined.
The Problem of Pain
chapter 9 'Animal Pain'

[img]http://www.books-about-california.com/Images/Paul_Bunyan/Mosquito_Bee.gif[/img]
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This post reminds of of an old Twilight Zone show I seen years ago, a young rock and roller was driving his car fast drinking a beer with the radio cranked and ran a stop sign and hit an old geezer couple. The next thing they were sitting in a room with old fashioned gospel music on the radio, the old couple with shawls on in rocking chairs relaxing and rocking back and forth listening to the music, the young punk getting more and more agitated at the music, and the old people who seemed oblivious to his complaints. A man appears and explains to them they died and the old couple would be here in this room as a reward for their decent lives, for them it was heaven, together, warm and satisfied they smiled. The young guy asked what about me, he was told due to his life he was going to hell, he said I am sure ready take me there then. The man explained one mans heaven is often anothers mans hell.

ed

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Ed Normile' date='03 January 2010 - 11:14 PM' timestamp='1262582059' post='2029362']
Thanks a lot Aalpha, I was drinking a coke when I read this and the resulting chuckle forced me to shoot soda out my nostrils, one should warn about hilarity in a thread to avoid accidents. On another note I seen the catholic church signs in a post on some picture site, a series of signs where someone at the church, hopefully not the priest , posted signs in an argument between a rival protestant church dealing with dog souls and their making it to heaven, the protestant church was right on this, the argument degraded into nonsense ending with "only catholic dogs get to heaven". I was truly embarrassed.

ed
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I'm very sad for you.

That was what we call an "exploitable", i.e. there is a website somewhere with a picture of those billboards where you get to add your own text. It wasn't real.