What About The Eoc

[willguy]

I just thought of something. Why do people like Jack Chick and others who are trying to "save Catholics" not try to "save Eastern Orthodox Christians"? After all, 95% of the things those people disagree with Catholicism they also disagree with EOC.

Any non-Catholic perspectives on this?

[Fiat_Voluntas_Tua]

It doesn't make sense to me...most protestants say if you are Baptised and believe in Jesus as your Savior, than you are saved. Well Catholics are Baptised, and Catholics believe Christ saves us from sin. So why are protestants trying "to save us"?

According to them aren't we "already saved" because of Baptism and acknowledgement in Christ as our Savior? I don't see why protestants argue and bash Catholics so much?

[Brother Adam]

The difference is that Lutherans, Angilicans, some CRC, Methodists, and so forth are not under papal authority. The pope is the anti-Christ. Thus all Catholics are unsaved. lol. Don't you people know this


Actually if you press Baptists they will tell you that Lutherans, Angelicans and anyone who believe in covenant theology are going to hell.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

I also don't understand why they don't fight amongst themselves, not that I want to promote it, it just doesn't make sense. We see more "Protestant" apologists and not enough apologists from the different denominations.

[MagiDragon]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Apr 6 2004, 06:09 PM']The difference is that Lutherans, Angilicans, some CRC, Methodists, and so forth are not under papal authority. The pope is the anti-Christ. Thus all Catholics are unsaved. lol. Don't you people know this 


Actually if you press Baptists they will tell you that Lutherans, Angelicans and anyone who believe in covenant theology are going to hell. [/quote]
hmmm . . . kindof makes me wanna defend these guys too . . .

While I believe that the Catholic Church holds the fullness of the Truth, I wouldn't mind having Protestant allies. Many Protestants have a tendency of judging and clamming up the minute that they find out i'm one of those evil Catholics.

If we had some Protestants on our side we could infiltrate and convert from within.

For instance, I think Bro. Adam may be capable of bringing more to the Catholic Church as he is than if he were to become Catholic.

just a theory, feel free to pulverize it.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Apr 6 2004, 06:09 PM'] Actually if you press Baptists they will tell you that Lutherans, Angelicans and anyone who believe in covenant theology are going to hell. [/quote]
Wow, BA, that might be the GARBC's take on it, but not the BGC's. We would assume that ANYONE who has faith in Christ is a Christian (unless they're JW or Mormons or something). My experience with most of my baptist friends is that of not understanding, but not being interested in understanding...

[willguy]

No offense, but this has gotten off-topic REALLY quick and I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on my initial questions.

[Laudate_Dominum]

I assume the main reason is because the Orthodox are a minority in this part of the world. If the protestant revolt had happened in Eastern Europe, as a revolt against the Eastern Orthodox Churches we might be asking why protestants don't evangelize Catholics more. Since protestantism split off of Catholicism, anti-Catholicism has always been a part of it.

[Joseph]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Apr 6 2004, 06:09 PM']Actually if you press Baptists they will tell you that Lutherans, Angelicans and anyone who believe in covenant theology are going to hell.[/quote]
Wow, who gave them the power to decide who goes to Hell?

Actually, to get back on topic, I agree with Laudate_Dominum...... I think you rarely see anti-EOC attacks in this country is due to the fact that there is such a small presence of the EOC as compared to the large numbers of Catholics. Also, I'm sure that compared to what little those anti-Catholics know about Catholicism (even though their facts are usually wrong), that they most likely know nothing about Eastern Orthodox......they probably think they are a Protestant sect or something

[Justified Saint]

I think another reason too is that most arguments against Catholicism will for the most part be the same kind of agruments one would use against the Eastern Orthodox because of the similarity in beliefs. I think Protestants probably just lump Roman Catholics and Orthodox together as being pretty much the same thing.

The Eastern Orthodox perspective it pretty interesting though, for the most part they see Roman Catholicism and Protestantism as two sides of the same coin with Protestantism just being a continuation of the West's heresy. Protestantism would then see Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy as more or less the same and then Roman Catholicism still believes in salvation for all.

[Ellenita]

Maybe it's because of the cultural aspect of the EO church - it's very much associated with people from a particular cultural background and therefore they might be seen to be more 'difficult to evangelise' since it means undermining not just the religious faith, but their culture, language etc, whereas the Catholic church is universal.....just a thought!

The issue about not viewing Catholics as Christians even though they have been baptised is about not accepting infant baptism as being valid isn't it? My understanding of fundamentalist protestant Christians is that they think that no one is a Christian unless they have experienced Jesus as their personal saviour. For the record, they didn't believe my baptism in the anglican church was valid either and did not accept I was a Christian until I'd had a 'born again' experience - the Baptist church I attended a few years later also requested that I had a full immersion baptism too!

[theculturewarrior]

Sad to say it, but there is a lot of ignorance among western denoms and even (indeed especially) Roman Catholics regarding the Christian East. I have heard of evangelicals trying to save Eastern Orthodox from the pope. I have also heard of Catholics going to receive the Eucharist in Orthodox churches because "it is the same." And not to leave Anglicans out...I have a friend on another board who was asked if she worshipped angels. After all, she was an angelican.

[mulls]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Apr 6 2004, 07:09 PM'] The pope is the anti-Christ. Thus all Catholics are unsaved. lol. Don't you people know this


[/quote]
bro,

i'm happy for your new enlightenment and all that.....but please, don't start trying to turn the tide. you've done more protestant apologetics work here than anyone else i've seen, i'd really hate to see that all go to waste. i know you're joking, but this is the same "let's be anti-protestant because they are anti-catholic" mentality that can be seen here.

much love.

[mulls]

for the question at hand....i grew up catholic and know nobody but catholics, i would assume that the eastern orthodox is such a minority that nobody really pays attention to them.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

The Catholic Church is the largest and it is universal. Many of it's traditions are different from Protestantism. Catholicism is #1 and different, could there be a better target?

[Bruce S]

[quote]I just thought of something. Why do people like Jack Chick and others who are trying to "save Catholics" not try to "save Eastern Orthodox Christians"? After all, 95% of the things those people disagree with Catholicism they also disagree with EOC.
[/quote]

Good question.

I would guess that the Catholic Church is so "different" and many consider aspects of your faith to border on "cultish", the closest parallel to apologetics AGAINST, is that done in Mormon advocacy. I'm NOT saying you ARE a cult, just that without understanding it SEEMS so different, and there are so many of you, that many Protestants want to save family, friends and others, from the "Papists" and that is why they TRY to decipher your impentrable verbiage, and imagary and such.

And when those Apparitions start showing up, and film clips of Catholics standing in line to see, THIS are shown... it puts Protestants over the top, they assume this is what ALL Catholics are like, I know you are not, but you have to admit, your faithful sign on to some WEIRD stuff and get carried away.

[quote]Virgin Mary" window vandalized
Damage happened overnight

People claim to have seen the Virgin Mary's image in these windows.
By ABC12/The Associated Press
Clearwater, Florida — (03/01/04)-- Police are trying to determine who broke some of the windows at an office building -- where some people insisted they saw the image of the Virgin Mary.

[img]http://www.gethep.net/road/images/marywindow3.jpg[/img]

The image covered nine bronze-colored glass panels. It was first discovered just before Christmas 1996. It immediately began attracting huge throngs, and required police details to handle the crowds.

Glass experts believe the image was created by a chemical reaction and corrosion of metallic elements in the glass coating.

A worker arriving at the building this morning discovered that the top three panes -- which showed what appeared to be the Virgin Mary's veiled head -- had been destroyed. There were just shards of glass remaining in the frame.

The damage apparently took place overnight.[/quote]

And this sort of thing is not an isolated event, every city has it's goofy Catholic image story, and they are NOT disrespectul, and they TRY to cover it as a faith thing, but Protestants see this ... and say ... THAT is what we are not.

NOTICE the people KNEELING IN WORSHIP BEFORE a plate glass window...fogged window and they are lighting candles....

Come on now.

Edited April 8, 2004 by Bruce S

[Dave]

How many times do we have to tell you that Catholics DO NOT worship Mary? Regardless of whether the image in the picture is legit or not, the people you see in the picture are NOT worshiping the image or Mary. Who are you to think you can tell when someone is worshiping something just because they're kneeling? By that same logic, you could accuse someone of worshiping their bed just because they kneel before it in prayer before going to bed!

[Bruce S]

OK ok..

They are what? Venerating thermopane images?

You won't find us lighting candles in front of illusions kneeling befor reflective glass smogged windows.

Sheesh.

OK, now answer.

Why do Bishops allow this crazy stuff? You have a RULE for everything on the planet earth, why not CONDEMN this goofy stuff, ANATHEMIZE those that embarras the educated faithful?

Come on, it is not REQUIRED, sure, but ALLOWED and TOLERATED?

[Bruce S]

[quote]We may disagree, and you may be cynical at times, but who isn't. But thank you for being a fairly reasonable Christian. I go and read about all the "damend Catholics" and their continued willful ignorance and lies on the BaptistBoard and just about go nuts.

You're at least smart enough to not call the kettle a pot. So thank you. Your one of the few who debates Catholicism mainly based on what they actually teach.

This post has been edited by Brother Adam on Apr 6 2004, 03:56 PM
[/quote]

Try this thread on the Baptist board, see what happens there. I'm a TAME Protestant, a pussycat, and remember, I am open minded enought to stay here, go to Mass, watch EWTN and READ READ READ.

Outside of MY playpen, so drop the Bruce is a basher nonsense, I'm not. I just LOVE tweaking ya on where you ARE goofy, you do it to us all the time, don't you?

Edited April 8, 2004 by Bruce S

[willguy]

[quote]I would guess that the Catholic Church is so "different"[/quote]

The thing is, the EOC is MORE different from Protestantism than Catholicism (things like the filoque, liturgy in the vernacular, and the overall liturgy are much more simlar in Protestants & Catholics then Protestants & Eastern Orthodox). I guess like someone said, Catholicism is bigger and thus more visible.