Obama Bows To Emperor

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Varg' date='14 November 2009 - 03:32 PM' timestamp='1258230738' post='2002753']
When Queen Elizabeth visits America she goes to a baseball game so as to honour American culture. When Obama goes to another country where the tradition is to bow he can't even do that because Americans are apparently better than everyone else...But it's OK because they believe in EQUALITY!
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You're embarrassing yourself.

[Noel's angel]

A US president visits another country, where bowing is the custom, and the leader of the other country is supposed to ignore his own customs to fit in with the US president's? US customs are clearly more important than every other country which existed long before it....

[Varg]

[quote name='KnightofChrist' date='14 November 2009 - 03:34 PM' timestamp='1258230848' post='2002755']
You're embarrassing yourself.
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And you are arrogant.

Edited November 14, 2009 by Varg

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Varg' date='14 November 2009 - 01:32 PM' timestamp='1258230738' post='2002753']
When Queen Elizabeth visits America she goes to a baseball game so as to honour American culture. When Obama goes to another country where the tradition is to bow he can't even do that because Americans are apparently better than everyone else...But it's OK because they believe in EQUALITY!
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I have no problem with a private American citizen bowing (or in the case a of lady curtsying) to the Queen of England (or any other royal personage), because their actions - even though their actions are contrary to American tradition which rejects the concept of secular royalty, but the man who holds the highest office in our land should act according to the customs of the American people who elected him, and not according to a misguided sense of deference to foreign potentates.

Edited November 14, 2009 by Apotheoun

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Varg' date='14 November 2009 - 01:35 PM' timestamp='1258230907' post='2002757']
And you are arrogant.
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I sense arrogance on your part. The fact that an American citizen is offended by the actions of a President who has failed to honor the traditions of his own country is - to be honest - quite natural.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Noel's angel' date='14 November 2009 - 02:35 PM' timestamp='1258230904' post='2002756']
A US president visits another country, where bowing is the custom, and the leader of the other country is supposed to ignore his own customs to fit in with the US president's? US customs are clearly more important than every other country which existed long before it....
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Exactly. If one is GOING to another country, they should follow the customs, no matter what arrogant attitude they or others have about the United States' superiority to every other culture.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Noel's angel' date='14 November 2009 - 01:35 PM' timestamp='1258230904' post='2002756']
A US president visits another country, where bowing is the custom, and the leader of the other country is supposed to ignore his own customs to fit in with the US president's? US customs are clearly more important than every other country which existed long before it....
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The U.S. president should follow the customs of the American nation, and the other leader should do what is customary among his people.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='fidei defensor' date='14 November 2009 - 01:41 PM' timestamp='1258231287' post='2002761']
Exactly. If one is GOING to another country, they should follow the customs, no matter what arrogant attitude they or others have about the United States' superiority to every other culture.
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That would follow only if the U.S. President were simply a tourist, but he is acting as the head of state for the United States, and should act according to our nations traditions.

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Varg' date='14 November 2009 - 03:35 PM' timestamp='1258230907' post='2002757']
And you are arrogant.
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I am not arrogant of American presidential custom, protocol and tradition. Of which you are clearly arrogant.

Edited November 14, 2009 by KnightofChrist

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='14 November 2009 - 02:43 PM' timestamp='1258231437' post='2002764']
That would follow only if the U.S. President were simply a tourist, but he is acting as the head of state for the United States, and should act according to our nations traditions.
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He is still a guest to whichever country he is visiting. He is at their mercy. If they don't want him to be there, they can deny him entrance.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='fidei defensor' date='14 November 2009 - 01:45 PM' timestamp='1258231545' post='2002767']
He is still a guest to whichever country he is visiting. He is at their mercy. If they don't want him to be there, they can deny him entrance.
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He is the visiting American head of state and should act according to our nations customs.

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='14 November 2009 - 02:49 PM' timestamp='1258231774' post='2002771']
He is the visiting American head of state and should act according to our nations customs.
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Unless they are offensive in the visiting nation. He should work to respect the culture he is visiting, as well.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='fidei defensor' date='14 November 2009 - 01:45 PM' timestamp='1258231545' post='2002767']
He is at their mercy. If they don't want him to be there, they can deny him entrance.
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He should not visit if he is not wanted. He can always send a low level bureaucrat in his place.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='fidei defensor' date='14 November 2009 - 01:50 PM' timestamp='1258231849' post='2002772']
Unless they are offensive in the visiting nation. He should work to respect the culture he is visiting, as well.
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Obama is an American, and as head of state he should follow American custom. I have no problem with a visiting head of state from another nation following his own traditions while representing his country in the United States.

Edited November 14, 2009 by Apotheoun

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='14 November 2009 - 02:51 PM' timestamp='1258231872' post='2002773']
He should not visit if he is not wanted. He can always send a low level bureaucrat in his place.
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My point is that if he is a visitor, he shouldn't act arrogantly.

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='14 November 2009 - 02:52 PM' timestamp='1258231956' post='2002775']
Obama is an American, and as head of state he should follow American custom. I have no problem with a visiting head of state from another country following his own traditions while representing his country in the United States.
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Yes, I agree that he should follow American custom as the head of our State. However, where there is a conflict and some custom of ours is offensive, he shouldn't partake in it.

[Varg]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='14 November 2009 - 03:37 PM' timestamp='1258231060' post='2002758']
I have no problem with a private American citizen bowing (or in the case a of lady curtsying) to the Queen of England (or any other royal personage)
[/quote]But you said "Americans do not bow to royalty"

Edited November 14, 2009 by Varg

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='Varg' date='14 November 2009 - 03:56 PM' timestamp='1258232207' post='2002783']
But you said "Americans do not bow to royalty"
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I said Americans do not bow to royalty.

[picchick]

This thread sounds like a bunch of kindergartners.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='fidei defensor' date='14 November 2009 - 01:54 PM' timestamp='1258232058' post='2002777']
Yes, I agree that he should follow American custom as the head of our State. However, where there is a conflict and some custom of ours is offensive, he shouldn't partake in it.
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I may find the actions of a foreign leader offensive, but I have no problem with him following the customs of his own nation while he is visiting the U.S. as the representative of his people. The President of the United States is an American, at least he is supposed to be, and he should follow the customs of our nation when visiting as head of state. He may do whatever he wants as a private citizen, but when he is acting in his official capacity, he should act according to our traditions.

Edited November 14, 2009 by Apotheoun

[Noel's angel]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='14 November 2009 - 09:42 PM' timestamp='1258231331' post='2002763']
The U.S. president should follow the customs of the American nation, and the other leader should do what is customary among his people.
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That wouldn't be awkward at all...one man bowing and the other sticking out a hand.