U.s. Bishops Complete Work On Translation Of Roman Missal

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='20 November 2009 - 02:56 PM' timestamp='1258754196' post='2006449']
If an Eastern Catholic misses the only Eastern Divine Liturgy celebrated on a Sunday, he should attend a Roman Rite Mass.
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An Eastern Catholic is free to attend a Roman Rite Mass if he wishes, but he is not required to do that.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='20 November 2009 - 02:57 PM' timestamp='1258754239' post='2006452']
Can you provide more information on this?
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You can read almost any book by Fr. Taft, Fr. Bouyer, Fr. Cyprian Vagaggini, and practically any other good liturgical scholar, and it will cover the topic. The anaphora was originally sung out loud, but eventually the "secret" form took hold, which is why you will see legislation as early as the 6th century trying to keep it chanted aloud (e.g., the liturgical rubrics issued by the Emperor Justinian in the early to mid 6th century). The chanting of the anaphora among the clergy in the sanctuary is still normative in the Byzantine Churches, according to the liturgikon, even if it is not always done. The Orthodox are better at following liturgical tradition than the Eastern Catholics, and I say this as an Eastern Catholic.

Edited November 20, 2009 by Apotheoun

[Nihil Obstat]

Why did the "secret form" as you put it, take hold in the West for so long?

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='20 November 2009 - 04:58 PM' timestamp='1258754289' post='2006453']
An Eastern Catholic is free to attend a Roman Rite Mass if he wishes, [b]but he is not required to do that[/b].
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I disagree.

Edited November 20, 2009 by Resurrexi

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='20 November 2009 - 03:06 PM' timestamp='1258754819' post='2006470']
Why did the "secret form" as you put it, take hold in the West for so long?
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It took hold in both East and West, and is a venerable tradition in its own right.

As to why it became normative, I think it has to do with a growing sense of the [i]mysterium tremendum[/i]. But even when done in a low voice it is still chanted aloud. I have sometimes been able to hear the priest chanting the prayers in a low voice when I visit Orthodox Churches.

Edited November 20, 2009 by Apotheoun

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='20 November 2009 - 03:08 PM' timestamp='1258754882' post='2006475']
I disagree.
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I am happy for you.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='20 November 2009 - 03:33 PM' timestamp='1258752786' post='2006412']
Well, when it finally does come out, I hope they have a missal and they strongly urge people to buy one and use it at Mass.

Perhaps the parishes can use this as an opportunity to properly catechize people on the Mass.

However, my guess is that there's going to be a lot of confusion, as people will respond with old responses.

Jim
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+J.M.J.+
the bishops have already started a website: http://www.usccb.org/romanmissal/

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='20 November 2009 - 03:26 PM' timestamp='1258756009' post='2006503']
+J.M.J.+
the bishops have already started a website: http://www.usccb.org/romanmissal/
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I wish that they would use real iconography on the Missal instead of line drawings.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='20 November 2009 - 04:29 PM' timestamp='1258756176' post='2006508']
I wish that they would use real iconography on the Missal instead of line drawings.
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+J.M.J.+
yeah, it's pretty hokey, 70s feel to it.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='20 November 2009 - 03:30 PM' timestamp='1258756231' post='2006510']
+J.M.J.+
yeah, it's pretty hokey, 70s feel to it.
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Yes, I get the same "That 70's Show" vibe.

[Resurrexi]

[img]http://www.popmatters.com/tv/reviews/t/images/that-70s-show.jpg[/img]

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='20 November 2009 - 03:34 PM' timestamp='1258756467' post='2006520']
[img]http://everseradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/that70sr.jpg[/img]
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Here you go.

[Apotheoun]

Sorry, I did not see that you fixed it yourself.

[JimR-OCDS]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='20 November 2009 - 06:26 PM' timestamp='1258756009' post='2006503']
+J.M.J.+
the bishops have already started a website: [url="http://www.usccb.org/romanmissal/"]http://www.usccb.org/romanmissal/[/url]
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That's great, but as things usually go, especially in my dioceses, few will read the website.

I'd prefer to see people bringing a missal to Mass, where they can review at home, before they
show up.

Of course this is probably wishful thinking as well.

The parish will merely provide missaletts, as we do now.

However, the parish next town over from mine, doesn't eve do that. They decided to save on the expense. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/ohno.gif[/img]

Jim

[Lil Red]

[quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='21 November 2009 - 09:43 AM' timestamp='1258818183' post='2006854']
That's great, but as things usually go, especially in my dioceses, few will read the website.

I'd prefer to see people bringing a missal to Mass, where they can review at home, before they
show up.

Of course this is probably wishful thinking as well.

The parish will merely provide missaletts, as we do now.

However, the parish next town over from mine, doesn't eve do that. They decided to save on the expense. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/ohno.gif[/img]

Jim
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+J.M.J.+
well, you're a Debbie Downer ain't ya.