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John Paul Ii's Ecumenical Gathering At Assisi


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goldenchild17
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[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='21 November 2009 - 04:40 PM' timestamp='1258843241' post='2007031']
Pretty good for a sedevacatist. ;)
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:P I'm working on it :)

Servus_Mariae
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I agree with Apotheum and KC as well. Though, I will submit something too. I don't think this was sinful, but I do think it was a mistake. I don't think John Paul II thought to himself planning this thing, "I just want everyone to realize that all religions are the same and equally valid". Let us recall that he was just as repulsed by relativism as the next Pope. His action however well intentioned, was imprudent. Because though he did not want this to express indifferentism...it screams it and to the average Catholic in this world who doesn't know any better...probably thought the same thing.

...and yeah, to the claim that one has to be an SSPX "ultra conservative extremist" to oppose this is ridiculous. This was not about faith and morals. John Paul II made a move to point to a higher truth (that we are all brothers in faith in God)and did so in an imprudent manner. We don't want to burn him at the stake or deny his papacy. I personally love the man and revere him with the utmost respect. I read his works for insights on philosophy and theology with attentive eagerness...precisely because of his brilliance.

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[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='21 November 2009 - 04:42 PM' timestamp='1258839739' post='2006992']
I'll say again, you're painting with a dangerously wide brush. Some oppose the initiative within perfect obedience to the Church, and from perfectly legitimate reasons. Your implication that every person who opposed the initiative is an "ultra conservative extremist" is offensive and hysterical.
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Cardinal Ratzinger criticized the meeting and I think he may have refused to attend the second Assisi (I think..)

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[quote name='OraProMe' date='21 November 2009 - 05:58 PM' timestamp='1258847917' post='2007083']
Cardinal Ratzinger criticized the meeting and I think he may have refused to attend the second Assisi (I think..)
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:idontknow: Ok. Well within his rights, and I'd most likely believe that to be the most prudent choice. Was this meant to be directed towards me? I'm confused

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Ahhh no, just towards the whole idea that anyone who opposed Assisi must be an extreme-right wing SSPXer.

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Probably would have been best to quote Jim.

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I am not very familiar with this event.

Was the point to increase the dialogue among people of different faiths? To help people of different religions understand each other's religious expression and worship?

If so, did it work? (Although any answer to that would probably be only speculation.)

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I think it was a good thing.

Only the visible head of the Catholic Church had the capability of calling religious leaders from all over the world for a common and noble end; As another poster noted, this itself is a powerful testament to the Church's authority and prestige (I doubt the Dali Lama would come at the request of an ordinary protestant minister.) People of various religions are united to us through a common descent from Adam, the fact that Christ calls them to Him, and for the simple reason we tend to suffer from the same ills, thus there's nothing wrong with praying for something universal like world peace or a protection of life from birth to natural death. Lastly, the Pope made it clear his firm and explicit conviction is that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the World, and true Peace, and so he gave witness to the Gospel in front of all those leaders!

Read the statement yourself:
[url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/speeches/1986/october/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_19861027_prayer-peace-assisi-final_en.html"]World Day of Prayer[/url]


Thank God for Holy Mother Church!
M.

Edited by mortify
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[quote name='mortify' date='22 November 2009 - 01:04 AM' timestamp='1258866281' post='2007183']
I think it was a good thing.

Only the visible head of the Catholic Church had the capability of calling religious leaders from all over the world for a common and noble end
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the Pope made it clear his firm and explicit conviction is that Jesus Christ is the Savior of the World, and true Peace, and so he gave witness to the Gospel in front of all those leaders!

Read the statement yourself:
[url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/speeches/1986/october/documents/hf_jp-ii_spe_19861027_prayer-peace-assisi-final_en.html"]World Day of Prayer[/url]


Thank God for Holy Mother Church!
M.
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Thanks for posting that link. This is very helpful.

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[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='21 November 2009 - 06:45 PM' timestamp='1258843544' post='2007041']
So when a mother has a baby aborted, it's because "she doesn't understand" that it's a human, and then the doctor aborts the baby (without any malice).
When the SSPX thinks that there was a statue of Buddha on the alter, they aren't Christian.

Clear as mud.
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What does abortion have to do with the subject at hand?


Jim

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[quote name='OraProMe' date='21 November 2009 - 08:20 PM' timestamp='1258849258' post='2007096']
Ahhh no, just towards the whole idea that anyone who opposed Assisi must be an extreme-right wing SSPXer.
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Catholic, ultra-conservative extremists, who reject Vatican II is what the author in the OP's post stated.


How come you're not harping on him?

Perhaps you're one of them? [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img]


Jim

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dominicansoul
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[quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='24 November 2009 - 07:32 PM' timestamp='1259109128' post='2008813']
What does abortion have to do with the subject at hand?


Jim
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one's views, understandings, beliefs about abortion tends to cloud all other views that one expresses...

...especially when one displays a very disturbing understanding of the baby in the womb...these things are not forgotten, especially if one expresses somewhat of a paradox in thought about other issues...

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cmotherofpirl
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As the head of the One Holy and Apostolic Catholic Church founded by Jesus Christ the Holy Father invited those people who were not yet in total communion with her to pray for the world in their own way in a common place. THat cannot be a bad thing, no matter how much the people complain.

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[quote name='JimR-OCDS' date='24 November 2009 - 06:34 PM' timestamp='1259109289' post='2008817']
Catholic, ultra-conservative extremists, who reject Vatican II is what the author in the OP's post stated.


How come you're not harping on him?

Perhaps you're one of them? [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img]


Jim
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The author in the OP is a wingnut.

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[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='25 November 2009 - 12:21 AM' timestamp='1259126460' post='2009063']
The author in the OP is a wingnut.
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AHEM

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My mistake. :D I should have said "the author quoted in the OP".

Mostly regarding that small excerpt that Jimmy quoted.

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