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LivingStone Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 (edited) G. K. Chesterton once stated something along these lines: "If there was no God, there wouldn't be any atheists". edited: yeah, the quote right below in my footnote...forgot. oops Edited December 14, 2009 by LivingStone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 [quote name='hot stuff' date='13 December 2009 - 04:37 PM' timestamp='1260743863' post='2019873'] Actually what's more true is this you define yourself as an atheist so therefore You define yourself by what you don't believe. You live your life according to what you don't believe. [/quote] No. I don't "define" myself as anything. "Atheist" describes the loose set of "beliefs" i have. You don't get to tell me how I define myself. Atheism isn't a lifestyle like Christianity is. I am not defined by it because religious issues play a very small role in my life. I come here and debate for sport, not because I have anything to prove or defend. I'm offended by your arrogant decision that I am nothing because YOU choose to define my life by the label of "atheist." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 [quote name='fidei defensor' date='13 December 2009 - 07:55 PM' timestamp='1260752138' post='2019955'] You don't get to tell me how I define myself. [/quote] He just did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='13 December 2009 - 07:03 PM' timestamp='1260752605' post='2019959'] He just did. [/quote] Look, a purple rabbit…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 [quote name='fidei defensor' date='13 December 2009 - 08:04 PM' timestamp='1260752657' post='2019960'] yeah, I got pwned.[/quote] Don't feel too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
add Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 If bad Catholics go to hell does that mean bad atheist go toheaven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 [quote name='fidei defensor' date='13 December 2009 - 07:55 PM' timestamp='1260752138' post='2019955'] No. I don't "define" myself as anything. "Atheist" describes the loose set of "beliefs" i have. You don't get to tell me how I define myself. Atheism isn't a lifestyle like Christianity is. I am not defined by it because religious issues play a very small role in my life. I come here and debate for sport, not because I have anything to prove or defend. I'm offended by your arrogant decision that I am nothing because YOU choose to define my life by the label of "atheist." [/quote] You've called yourself an atheist. I've never called you nothing. Varg said your beliefs weren't worth anything . You're getting pissed at the wrong person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 [quote name='hot stuff' date='13 December 2009 - 08:43 PM' timestamp='1260755023' post='2019980'] You've called yourself an atheist. I've never called you nothing. Varg said your beliefs weren't worth anything . You're getting pissed at the wrong person. [/quote] The story of your life. Remember the time you had to put mikolbe in a sleeper hold because he couldn't find his remote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 [quote name='hot stuff' date='13 December 2009 - 07:43 PM' timestamp='1260755023' post='2019980'] You've called yourself an atheist. I've never called you nothing. Varg said your beliefs weren't worth anything . You're getting pissed at the wrong person. [/quote] And I'm telling you what that label means. It isn't the same as you calling yourself a Christian. You think you're all clever but you're really not. You're diverting the argument away from anything worth talking about. Get with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 [quote name='fidei defensor' date='13 December 2009 - 09:06 PM' timestamp='1260756387' post='2019997'] And I'm telling you what that label means. It isn't the same as you calling yourself a Christian. You think you're all clever but you're really not. You're diverting the argument away from anything worth talking about. Get with it. [/quote] You're an angry person living the atheist lifestyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God the Father Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 [quote name='eagle_eye222001' date='12 December 2009 - 04:03 PM' timestamp='1260648230' post='2019248'] How do you resolve the above two quotes? You admit that God determines what is right and wrong, yet you are also saying that there are justifiable other belief systems? The problem that the second quote makes God optional or irrelevant which is conflict with the first which states that God is the arbiter. So is God the arbiter or not? Or do you believe He created multiple belief systems with moral contradictions all leading to Him, thus showing that morals ultimately DO NOT matter? [/quote] It's called a [i]belief[/i] system because it's based on [i]beliefs[/i] and not [i]facts[/i]. If a belief system or religion is not justifiable, no one would practice it. If Jews can't justify Judaism then why would they be Jewish? It may not make sense to you or me based on our [i]beliefs[/i] but somehow they do it. In the case of humanity, belief in God [i]is[/i] optional, which is where atheists come from. I believe God determines what's right and wrong. Some people don't, and they justify it in any number of ways (see this thread). I believe el chupacabra terrorizes livestock in the more arid regions of the American continent. Some people don't. Those beliefs are different; in fact they are conflicting, but I don't make a character judgment on that person's morality based upon conflicting beliefs. I don't know, maybe I haven't been paying attention but I didn't realize that puts me in conflict with my Church. [quote name='eagle_eye222001' date='12 December 2009 - 04:03 PM' timestamp='1260648230' post='2019248'] We are not saying they are bad people. God seems to be saying it though. I mean...that's a fact. [/quote] You're not saying they're bad people, but God is? Sounds like a disagreement if you ask me. Who's being contradictory now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 [quote name='Winchester' date='13 December 2009 - 08:08 PM' timestamp='1260756481' post='2019998'] You're an angry person living the atheist lifestyle. [/quote] If you say so. Nothing about my lifestyle has changed since I left the Church other than more free time on Sunday mornings and Holidays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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