Pope Wants Crucifix At The Centre Of All Altars During Mass

[Veridicus]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='03 February 2010 - 05:13 PM' timestamp='1265238828' post='2050781']
You get deacons?

The only time I've seen deacons at Mass in my diocese is at the EF (obviously) and at the ordination I went to. Oh, and my grad Mass. That was cool too.
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We might be a bit short on priest and conservatism in my part of the world, but we have been blessed with deacons in the last 15yrs. We had 12 men ordained to the Diaconate this last year. Deo gratias. Eases the burden on the priests a bit.

[Nihil Obstat]

My bishop I guess "opened up" the permanent diaconate a few years ago. I don't know how the response has been. I know we have some, because I saw a bunch of them in the summer... I just don't know where they are. My parish certainly didn't get any.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='03 February 2010 - 05:25 PM' timestamp='1265239534' post='2050798']
My bishop I guess "opened up" the permanent diaconate a few years ago. I don't know how the response has been. I know we have some, because I saw a bunch of them in the summer... I just don't know where they are. My parish certainly didn't get any.
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Maybe permanent deacons are afraid of carpeted sanctuaries too.

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='Veridicus' date='03 February 2010 - 05:32 PM' timestamp='1265239953' post='2050804']
Maybe permanent deacons are afraid of carpeted sanctuaries too.
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Hm...... that might be the case. Might certainly be the case.

Just makes one wish that all the priests were afraid of carpeted sanctuaries too...

[Veridicus]

[quote name='StMichael' date='03 February 2010 - 04:33 PM' timestamp='1265236407' post='2050740']
From the hand holding...
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I share your frustrations. Cappie posted a great link to a [url="http://www.canonlaw.info/liturgysacraments_orans.htm"]webpage[/url] when I questioned about this on Q&A. It poses a very simple solution: have the priest stop using the Orans stance during the Our Father since during the Pater Noster of the OF the priest is not 'praying on behalf of the people' but with them. At pretty much every other time the priest uses the orans pose, he is praying for the people while they are silent.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='03 February 2010 - 05:34 PM' timestamp='1265240041' post='2050809']
Just makes one wish that all the priests were afraid of carpeted sanctuaries too...
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Or at least afraid of the unwavering orthodoxy of youthful bearded ninjas.

[StMichael]

When I came out west, I attended a ton of different Churches. I was in Las Vegas for a period and one Church had about 3 elderly Priests. They sat in the pews as the Deacon did the Mass.

Another Church claims to have a Deacon "couple." This is in LA. What the heck is a Deacon "couple?"

My parish back in NY, we had a Deacon.

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='03 February 2010 - 06:13 PM' timestamp='1265238828' post='2050781']
You get deacons?

The only time I've seen deacons at Mass in my diocese is at the EF (obviously) and at the ordination I went to. Oh, and my grad Mass. That was cool too.
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[Veridicus]

[quote name='StMichael' date='03 February 2010 - 05:37 PM' timestamp='1265240264' post='2050814']
Another Church claims to have a Deacon "couple." This is in LA. What the heck is a Deacon "couple?"
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I'm hoping it is a Deacon and his wife is a very involved lay minister. I'm hoping its not two Deacons...

[StMichael]

I asked and it is a Deacon and his wife.

I have zero clue as to why this term is needed and if she participates in any degree as a deacon helper during mass.

It is stuff like this that makes no sense and confuses the congregation.

If it is not fighting off the hand holding or kneeling when others are standing or Priests giving up their duties to the lay people, etc.

Just this Sunday attended another Church and the Priest and altar boys stood behind the altar holding hands, 4 in a row, saying the Our Father. Blood just about spurted out of my eyes.

[quote name='Veridicus' date='03 February 2010 - 08:16 PM' timestamp='1265246160' post='2050880']
I'm hoping it is a Deacon and his wife is a very involved lay minister. I'm hoping its not two Deacons...
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[Veridicus]

[quote name='StMichael' date='03 February 2010 - 07:27 PM' timestamp='1265246823' post='2050886']
I asked and it is a Deacon and his wife.

I have zero clue as to why this term is needed and if she participates in any degree as a deacon helper during mass.

It is stuff like this that makes no sense and confuses the congregation.

If it is not fighting off the hand holding or kneeling when others are standing or Priests giving up their duties to the lay people, etc.

Just this Sunday attended another Church and the Priest and altar boys stood behind the altar holding hands, 4 in a row, saying the Our Father. Blood just about spurted out of my eyes.
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Yeah there is a parish in my diocese where a lay woman serves at the altar while the deacon just stands there uselessly. There is confusion in many parishes. All we can do is pray and discuss charitably how things should be. And try to keep blood from spurting out of our eyes when lay ministers self-communicate and the priest makes up his own Eucharistic prayer.

[StMichael]

There is no confusion.

It isn't like the Pastor's or Priests or Bishops were adrift for years without any reference material.

This is bending the mass to please a few lay people. The Church and its parishes are treated like a political free for all. It is this ego that is destroying our houses of worship.

Catholic schools teaching religion 3 days a week instead of 5. Stressing "spirituality" over devotion to the religion as well as full understanding.

Either the Church will fall under the weight of this or it will stand up and defend the teachings, the traditions, the rock.

[quote name='Veridicus' date='03 February 2010 - 08:44 PM' timestamp='1265247882' post='2050896']
Yeah there is a parish in my diocese where a lay woman serves at the altar while the deacon just stands there uselessly. There is confusion in many parishes. All we can do is pray and discuss charitably how things should be. And try to keep blood from spurting out of our eyes when lay ministers self-communicate and the priest makes up his own Eucharistic prayer.
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[Veridicus]

[quote name='StMichael' date='03 February 2010 - 11:05 PM' timestamp='1265259903' post='2050994']
Either the Church will fall under the weight of this or it will stand up and defend the teachings, the traditions, the rock.
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Things su[i][/i]ck really bad. Believe me, you don't have to tell me about it. But the Church will not fall under the weight. She will contract, she will shrink, she will purify, she will find her roots and fan the coals that burn with the heat of 2000 yrs truth and tradition...but she will not fall. I am fully confident in the younger priest God has sent us.

Edited February 4, 2010 by Veridicus