Winchester Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 [quote name='Hilde' date='12 January 2010 - 03:14 PM' timestamp='1263327298' post='2035539'] Homophobic. I don't really like that word. It's used too much and looses it's power. [/quote] It's a dumb word. There should be a steep fine for using it in a serious manner.
cmotherofpirl Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 [quote name='ZeweAeternus' date='12 January 2010 - 02:49 PM' timestamp='1263322186' post='2035480'] Allow me to rephrase in a way that I hope is not infinitesimally semantically questionable so that you may be able to provide a legitimate response, then. I think it's a bit absurd to condemn someone to an eternity of agony just for something as arbitrary as their sexual preferences [i]and choices regarding them[/i]. Two consenting adults, no one is hurt, it's just sex. Hardly seems like something I'd eternally condemn someone for. [/quote] Sex is never "just" sex.
Socrates Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='12 January 2010 - 03:04 PM' timestamp='1263326692' post='2035531'] This guy in the article doesn't have much of a vocabulary, eh? "Sinful, homophobic, bigot, sinful bigot sinful, forgiveness pain sinful, bigot homophobic sinful, blah blah blah blah sinful homophobic bigot. [/quote] Sounds like a good pious "liberal Catholic" - he just needs to throw in the words "community," "social justice," and "sexism" more.
muzikal4life Posted January 12, 2010 Posted January 12, 2010 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='12 January 2010 - 06:28 PM' timestamp='1263338910' post='2035644'] Sex is never "just" sex. [/quote] Sex is meant to be a foreshadowing of the bliss of Heaven and a representation of the flow of love through the Trinity. Father[husband] loves the Son [wife] Son returns the Father's love. Through this pure, open, mutual giving and receiving of love comes a third, the Holy Spirit [children]. This is why marriage is a sacrament-the act of sex within the marriage is highly valued by the Catholic church. When sex is set apart from openness to children, it's just mutual masturbation. There's nothing pure and sacramental about it.
HisChildForever Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 [quote name='muzikal4life' date='12 January 2010 - 06:56 PM' timestamp='1263340595' post='2035662'] Sex is meant to be a foreshadowing of the bliss of Heaven and a representation of the flow of love through the Trinity. Father[husband] loves the Son [wife] Son returns the Father's love. Through this pure, open, mutual giving and receiving of love comes a third, the Holy Spirit [children].[/quote] I have never heard this kind of a description before. To be honest, I find this explanation to be a little out there. [quote] When sex is set apart from openness to children, it's just mutual masturbation.[/quote] Technically this is incorrect. Sex is still sex, with or without contraception. However, sex with contraception is gravely immoral and reduces the beauty of sex into an activity of selfish pleasure.
CatherineM Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Sex is one of the greatest gifts that God has given us, and I think he does care about how we use it.
Socrates Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='12 January 2010 - 07:11 PM' timestamp='1263341497' post='2035669'] I have never heard this kind of a description before. To be honest, I find this explanation to be a little out there.[/quote] I've actually heard it from a number of solid sources. It's not saying that married sex is the same thing as the life of the Holy Trinity (nor that the interior life of the Trinity is in any way sexual), but that proper married love reflects in a way the love found in the Trinity. God's love is complete self-giving, and so should ours be. [quote]Technically this is incorrect. Sex is still sex, with or without contraception. However, sex with contraception is gravely immoral and reduces the beauty of sex into an activity of selfish pleasure. [/quote] In other words, morally, it is little different than masturbation.
muzikal4life Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 [quote name='HisChildForever' date='12 January 2010 - 07:11 PM' timestamp='1263341497' post='2035669'] I have never heard this kind of a description before. To be honest, I find this explanation to be a little out there. This is the Theology of the Body as taught by JPII. Christopher West has a couple simplified versions of the Pope's teachings on the subject. Theology of the Body for Beginners is a really good read. Technically this is incorrect. Sex is still sex, with or without contraception. However, sex with contraception is gravely immoral and [u]reduces the beauty of sex into an activity of selfish pleasure.[/u] [/quote] You're right, it's not completely accurate but the point was fairly clear.
HisChildForever Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 [quote name='Socrates' date='12 January 2010 - 07:22 PM' timestamp='1263342150' post='2035684'] It's not saying that married sex is the same thing as the life of the Holy Trinity (nor that the interior life of the Trinity is in any way sexual), but that proper married love reflects in a way the love found in the Trinity. God's love is complete self-giving, and so should ours be. [/quote] Thanks for the clarification. Her explanation of it seemed to suggest a kind of sexual relationship amongst the members of the Trinity, which is what threw me off.
Winchester Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 If God is God, then it's no use arguing with Him.
mommas_boy Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 [quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='12 January 2010 - 03:04 PM' timestamp='1263326692' post='2035531'] This guy in the article doesn't have much of a vocabulary, eh? "Sinful, homophobic, bigot, sinful bigot sinful, forgiveness pain sinful, bigot homophobic sinful, blah blah blah blah sinful homophobic bigot. [/quote] He's a liberal. He probably learned whole language.
Vincent Vega Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 It's funny that this goofball denies the existence of God, but not of sin. Whatever he's smoking, he can feel free to mail me some.
Happy_Catholic Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Wow. That guys got some bowling balls on him, telling God what to do and how to act and to "repent". I hope I'm no where near that judgement.
Luigi Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 [quote name='Hilde' date='12 January 2010 - 03:14 PM' timestamp='1263327298' post='2035539'] Homophobic. I don't really like that word. It's used too much and looses it's power. [/quote] It's also an inaccurate word, coined by homosexuals in order to label their opposition. The "phobia" part means "fear" and it's based on the assumption that we hate what we fear. While it may be true that we can hate what we fear (snakes), we can also fear things we don't hate (final exams in our favorite classes), and we can hate things we don't fear (homosexuality). There ought to be - there probably is - a Greek word part that means "hate" or "dislike" or "disapprove" that could be joined to "homo-" to coin a word that more accurately reflects the the majority opinion toward homosexuality. And by the way, if a person does indeed fear homosexuals, it might be the result of some pretty fear-inducing encounters with them.
Luigi Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 [quote name='Happy_Catholic' date='12 January 2010 - 10:49 PM' timestamp='1263354553' post='2035804'] Wow. That guys got some bowling balls on him...[/quote] Which is probably why he's so popular in the gay community. [Did I really just say that?]
Luigi Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Does anyone else find it odd that Komeny can actually believe that 4000 years of human history, in almost every culture on earth, is wrong on this issue, and that only we here in the US have figured out the real truth in the last several decades?
Nunsense Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 [quote name='Luigi' date='13 January 2010 - 04:03 PM' timestamp='1263359005' post='2035864'] Does anyone else find it odd that Komeny can actually believe that 4000 years of human history, in almost every culture on earth, is wrong on this issue, and that only we here in the US have figured out the real truth in the last several decades? [/quote] Look, little Komeny is the only one marching in step!
Happy_Catholic Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 [quote name='Luigi' date='13 January 2010 - 12:03 AM' timestamp='1263359005' post='2035864'] Does anyone else find it odd that Komeny can actually believe that 4000 years of human history, in almost every culture on earth, is wrong on this issue, and that only we here in the US have figured out the real truth in the last several decades? [/quote] Not to mention evolution. Seriously, if homosexuality was natural, then Adam and Steve could have kids without borrowing the ovum/uterus of another woman for a few months, or pulling an Angelena.
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