Roeder's Trial

[lost_in_this_world]

anyone watch the trial or keeping up with it..

i caught most of roeder's time on the stand today and it was interesting..just wondering what other people thought

[MissyP89]

What he did will never be right, no matter what his intentions were.

[Veridicus]

He has no justification for his actions that can satisfy the law in my opinion. Then again I'm not really an expert on this state's law. Even if the idea that he felt he was stopping Tiller from committing murder/abortion, he shot the guy in church and not while he was inserting his tools at work. There was no 'immediate' threat to life. Despite what Roeder says, I don't think it was simply a matter of convenience that he shot this guy at Church. Roeder was making a statement by shooting him in a church; had he wanted to end the guy's life and have a snowball's chance of a lessened conviction he should have done the deed at the guy's work.

That said, I do not think he should have done the deed. It's all an unfortunate situation. Tiller was a monster; however, one must not become a monster in the act of fighting monsters.

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='Veridicus' date='28 January 2010 - 08:26 PM' timestamp='1264724785' post='2046754']
however, one must not become a monster in the act of fighting monsters.
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That's a paraphrase of Neitzsche's quote! haha

[Veridicus]

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='28 January 2010 - 06:28 PM' timestamp='1264724900' post='2046755']
That's a paraphrase of Neitzsche's quote! haha
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yeah, I read stuff.

[CatherineM]

I think his attorney is doing him a mis-service for political reasons. I'm sure his fees are being paid by a pro-life fringe group, so his emphasis will be on the self defense of others. If he were truly representing his client's best interests, he would have pled non-compus due to his mental illness, and lack of proper medication.

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='28 January 2010 - 11:29 PM' timestamp='1264739373' post='2047042']
I think his attorney is doing him a mis-service for political reasons. I'm sure his fees are being paid by a pro-life fringe group, so his emphasis will be on the self defense of others. If he were truly representing his client's best interests, he would have pled non-compus due to his mental illness, and lack of proper medication.
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Maybe Roeder wants to use his case politically.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='28 January 2010 - 10:32 PM' timestamp='1264739555' post='2047046']
Maybe Roeder wants to use his case politically.
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I'm sure he does, but part of zealously representing your client is sometimes telling them no. If my client thought he was Napoleon, I wouldn't let him plead not guilty by his right of monarchy.

[Nihil Obstat]

Does it reflect badly on his lawyer that he's making these arguments?

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='28 January 2010 - 11:46 PM' timestamp='1264744019' post='2047108']
Does it reflect badly on his lawyer that he's making these arguments?
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Well, they'd better not sit him next to the prosecutor at the next bar association dinner.

[Jaime]

I'm guessing he's getting funding from the Army of God.

I tell you I don't wish hell on anyone. I do however pray that heaven is so vast, I don't have to run into these idiots (and this is my failing) .

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='Veridicus' date='28 January 2010 - 09:27 PM' timestamp='1264728473' post='2046826']
yeah, I read stuff.







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awesome! I do too xD

[lost_in_this_world]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='29 January 2010 - 12:29 AM' timestamp='1264739373' post='2047042']
I think his attorney is doing him a mis-service for political reasons. I'm sure his fees are being paid by a pro-life fringe group, so his emphasis will be on the self defense of others. If he were truly representing his client's best interests, he would have pled non-compus due to his mental illness, and lack of proper medication.
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why plead mental illness if that was not the case....although i dont agree with roeders actions i thought it was upstanding to completely admit all of his actions undeniably. he seemed to have stayed true to his convictions despite the consequences which is interesting because most people would commit a crime and then try to get out of it.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='lost_in_this_world' date='29 January 2010 - 02:00 PM' timestamp='1264795224' post='2047374']
why plead mental illness if that was not the case....although i dont agree with roeders actions i thought it was upstanding to completely admit all of his actions undeniably. he seemed to have stayed true to his convictions despite the consequences which is interesting because most people would commit a crime and then try to get out of it.
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Because he has had schizophrenia for years, and hasn't been properly medicated.

[Jaime]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='29 January 2010 - 03:10 PM' timestamp='1264795848' post='2047382']
Because he has had schizophrenia for years, and hasn't been properly medicated.
[/quote]

That's so sad. Now I'm wondering if his lawyer didn't plead properly on purpose.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='29 January 2010 - 03:26 PM' timestamp='1264800396' post='2047422']
That's so sad. Now I'm wondering if his lawyer didn't plead properly on purpose.
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It's possible. There was a man with schizophrenia here that killed his sister in law, and the family stressed that he was an angry drug user, and only one uncle mentioned that he also had a mental illness. His attorney put on no defense at all, not a single witness. It was easier for him and his family to think that he was just a scumball than to admit he was mentally ill. He got 15 to life, and probably still isn't being medicated. I guess it will be easier to be in jail that long while psychotic anyway.

[Happy_Catholic]

He's been found guilty, the jury deliberated for only 37 minutes.

And apparently he's getting life imprisonment with a non parole period of 25 years.

If he is truly mentally ill, which I have always believed he was, I hope he appeals and gets into a facility that's better able to care for him.

There's been enough victims in this mess.

[CatherineM]

[quote name='Happy_Catholic' date='29 January 2010 - 11:28 PM' timestamp='1264829314' post='2047609']
He's been found guilty, the jury deliberated for only 37 minutes.

And apparently he's getting life imprisonment with a non parole period of 25 years.

If he is truly mentally ill, which I have always believed he was, I hope he appeals and gets into a facility that's better able to care for him.

There's been enough victims in this mess.
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Mental illness is an affirmative defense, and if you don't raise it at trial, you are precluded from raising it on appeal. He can appeal on the basis of ineffective counsel.

[Jaime]

[quote name='CatherineM' date='29 January 2010 - 06:23 PM' timestamp='1264807409' post='2047501']
It's possible. There was a man with schizophrenia here that killed his sister in law, and the family stressed that he was an angry drug user, and only one uncle mentioned that he also had a mental illness. His attorney put on no defense at all, not a single witness. It was easier for him and his family to think that he was just a scumball than to admit he was mentally ill. He got 15 to life, and probably still isn't being medicated. I guess it will be easier to be in jail that long while psychotic anyway.
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I was thinking that if he was found innocent because he was schizophrenic, prochoicers couldn't have a field day over this.