goldenchild17 Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 [quote name='zunshynn' date='29 January 2010 - 11:53 AM' timestamp='1264787593' post='2047286'] I think it's true... I know the pastors of the blogger's parish, and I suspect he heard it announced at Mass... His parish is relatively close to Mexico, I think. I've followed his blog for a while, and he's not really the type to publish hearsay without having heard it from a trustworthy source. Vandalism doesn't often make it into the news. [/quote] Not mainstream news, but I know a few sources that would take this and run with it. I'm not going to say it didn't happen, just that I'm going to be skeptical until it starts circulating some other sources. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted January 29, 2010 Share Posted January 29, 2010 [quote name='aalpha1989' date='29 January 2010 - 02:42 PM' timestamp='1264790544' post='2047328'] *Jason, the [url="http://www.ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/b16SummorumPontificum.htm"]pope[/url] likes Liturgical Tradition, too!* edit: As Raphael said, the SSPX's great failure is pride, not liturgy. [/quote] woah!! GR8 deflection!!!! where's the pope's encyclical on the glories of vandalism? If i were to be so bold, I would say vandalism would be another failure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Just to be clear it's incorrect to say that the SSPX did this. The Society is a group of priests, the people that attend their Mass are just Catholics. It is very sad this happened though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 While it's easy to jump on the hate train with the majority, where's the proof that this actually happened? Some guy with a blog who knows some unnamed person in Mexico? And where in Mexico? What city? What are the names of the SSPX priests, and FSSP priests? What is the name of the parish that was attacked? This is basic info which should be provided before I jump on the blame game train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zunshynn Posted January 30, 2010 Author Share Posted January 30, 2010 [quote name='KnightofChrist' date='29 January 2010 - 09:42 PM' timestamp='1264826577' post='2047594'] While it's easy to jump on the hate train with the majority, where's the proof that this actually happened? Some guy with a blog who knows some unnamed person in Mexico? And where in Mexico? What city? What are the names of the SSPX priests, and FSSP priests? What is the name of the parish that was attacked? This is basic info which should be provided before I jump on the blame game train. [/quote] It said in the second sentence that it's the FSSP Chapel of St. Peter the Apostle in Guadalajara, Mexico. It's not a news article, so just because he did not have all of the names of people involved does not somehow make it an irresponsible thing to write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Apparently the city was Guadalajara, I have found the Guadalajara FSSP website and emailed them to ask if this is true. Also there is nothing of the Guadalajara FSSP website about this attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 (edited) [quote name='zunshynn' date='29 January 2010 - 11:49 PM' timestamp='1264826951' post='2047595'] It said in the second sentence that it's the FSSP Chapel of St. Peter the Apostle in Guadalajara, Mexico. It's not a news article, so just because he did not have all of the names of people involved does not somehow make it an irresponsible thing to write. [/quote] Yes thank you I missed that when I first read it, and saw it after I posted. Still there should be some names, there are none. And again the Guadalajara FSSP has nothing about it on their website. Here is the contact info I found for the FSSP in Mexico from http://www.fssp.org/en/coordonnees.htm México CapellanÃa de San Pedro (diocese: Guadalajara) Tapalpa 56 Vallarta Poniente 44110 Guadalajara, Jalisco Tel. +52 33 3647 8241 Website: www.fsspmx.org Edited January 30, 2010 by KnightofChrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aalpha1989 Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 [quote name='MIkolbe' date='29 January 2010 - 03:44 PM' timestamp='1264797843' post='2047404'] woah!! GR8 deflection!!!! where's the pope's encyclical on the glories of vandalism? If i were to be so bold, I would say vandalism would be another failure... [/quote] No deflection, I was just noting that even though you blamed the "tradies", Tradition had nothing to do with the vandalism. Pride did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIKolbe Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 oh, how we love to split hairs. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OraProMe Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 [quote name='MIkolbe' date='30 January 2010 - 07:51 AM' timestamp='1264855906' post='2047682'] oh, how we love to split hairs. lol [/quote] How many Catholics do you know that attend Mass offered by an SSPX priest? I really cannot think of any that would desecrate a traditional catholic church. I'd believe that there was a lot of bad communication and a group of laity went to protest (what they thought was) ecumenism, but not so ready to believe that any of them actually vandalized the chapel. At any rate to say that the SSPX take their position out of pride is incorrect. Anyone who says that really doesn't know how much stigma the priests and faithful have suffered for their stance. It's motivated by a lot of things, but pride is definitely not one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Normile Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 A quote from the blog that struck me was "we started hearing gossip .... " it seems as if this blog post is mainly gossip too. Either way this action would have been wrong, the current attitude of the media against anything christian, especially catholic makes it seem almost unbeleivable that this was not headline news. What an oppurtunity to knock catholic culture just passed over! ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 http://wdtprs.com/blog/2010/01/dust-up-between-the-sspx-and-fssp-in-guadalajara/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted January 31, 2010 Share Posted January 31, 2010 (edited) not letting me post pictures. But: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZgnoRwsbDzI/S2TFzUERXzI/AAAAAAAABck/VjENB5c3zDk/s1600-h/Graffiti.jpg Edited January 31, 2010 by goldenchild17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cortona Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='zunshynn' date='29 January 2010 - 03:20 AM' timestamp='1264753234' post='2047174'] [url="http://catholicchampion.blogspot.com/2010/01/sspx-group-in-mexico-attacks-fssp.html"]SSPX Group in Mexico Attacks FSSP Church[/url] Has anyone heard about this? [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/ohno.gif[/img] I'm really appalled. Thats just... so sad. [img]http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/public/style_emoticons/default/signofcross.gif[/img] [/quote] Why haven't there been any pictures of this action? You would think with video/camera phones, there would be some pictures. Don't you think it only fair to hear what the SSPX has to say on the matter? There's two sides to every story. I highly doubt that the SSPX would vandalize a Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) [quote name='cortona' date='02 February 2010 - 12:15 PM' timestamp='1265134539' post='2049779'] Why haven't there been any pictures of this action? You would think with video/camera phones, there would be some pictures. Don't you think it only fair to hear what the SSPX has to say on the matter? There's two sides to every story. I highly doubt that the SSPX would vandalize a Church. [/quote] See last post, it links to a picture of a wall with the graffiti partly washed off (allegedly taken after efforts to clean it up). It definitely could be fake, but who knows? I wrote to both SSPX and FSSP, but haven't heard anything from either. They probably have more important things to deal with than this though. And really we should have more important things to talk about also. If it happened, then its sad, but shouldn't change people's opinion of SSPX (for better or worse), and if it didn't happen then the original author of this story will have to answer to Someone else. Edited February 2, 2010 by goldenchild17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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