Veridicus Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) Covington Cathedral/Basilica of the Assumption, Kentucky [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4d/St._Mary%27s_Cathedral_Basilica_of_the_Assumption_in_Covington,_KY.JPG[/img] Interior [img]http://www.haskelltech.com/images/cathpan500.jpg[/img] Edited February 2, 2010 by Veridicus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Normile Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 KeenanParkerII I also agree these are beautiful momuments and a glory to God. I am not saying they are somehow unworthy? Also, I assumed this was a conversation. Ephram, I disagree with the disparity between rich and poor, when you do not have enough to eat or shelter from the weather all you are interested in is those needs. I am sure there was equally as vast a difference between the enslaved jews building the temples for the romans , and the caesers who ordered them built. Winchester, sorry for pissing you off ! Anger is a strong emotion, not the best tool in conversation. Veridicus, I agree with the contents of your sippy cup post, I also never said we should not have built these, I guess you can reread the posts I placed here, but I did ask how God sees them. One of God's most relevant commandmnets to this discussion was Love thy neighbor as thy self. I can not assume at the time of any of these marvelous buildings were erected in reverance to God there were not some who did not feel this love, some who were not hungry, or cold, or lost, or ill. In case I am not somehow making myself clear here in this thread, cathedrals are , beautiful, awe inspiring, a fitting tribute to God given our limited abilities to fathom His preferences. All I asked was if any thought this is what God really wants, or would he rather we minister to the needy among his most loved creation ? after all we could use a "stone" altar to celebrate his mass. ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servus_Mariae Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) ...as a side note...I am not sure if this has been said yet; but these structures are [i]for[/i] the poor in a special way. These structures (especially the older ones) were constructed with grandiose architecture and embellished with sacred art worthy of tears to behold; first to give glory to God with the very best we can with the materials we have but also for the poor. The poor are welcome to behold the beauty for themselves (again this is applicable to the older churches especially when such magnificent art was reserved for the higher class). Further, the Church is a place for the poor as the church is a place of security, peace, and awe inspiring beauty for their edification. If I were poor or homeless and I looked to this structure, I would see a place that I am welcome, and in being welcomed I realize that this place of majesty is special:[i] because God resides here[/i], and to know that I am welcome in this place is the Church's reminder of my dignity as a child of this indwelling God. Also..if we as the faithful do not know how to reverence[i]God[/i] with the best we have, how are we to expect people to know how to properly reverence the poor? Edited February 2, 2010 by Servus_Mariae Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeenanParkerII Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote]KeenanParkerII I also agree these are beautiful momuments and a glory to God. I am not saying they are somehow unworthy? Also, I assumed this was a conversation.[/quote] Yeah it is man, but who want's to come into a thread about Cathedrals and see a debate about them? It takes two to tango, but I just want people to chillax before it turns into 5 pages of debate and no Cathedral pics, which is why I made the thread. ^__^ [quote]In case I am not somehow making myself clear here in this thread, cathedrals are , beautiful, awe inspiring, a fitting tribute to God given our limited abilities to fathom His preferences. All I asked was if any thought this is what God really wants, or would he rather we minister to the needy among his most loved creation ? after all we could use a "stone" altar to celebrate his mass. ed[/quote] True enough, but it's not like we build them anymore. I think there are two classic cathedrals under construction, and the Church is the most charitable organization on Earth as it is. But hey, I do get what you're saying. And I thought we did use a stone altar at mass?? Isn't it like a tradition maintained since the time of the catacombs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) I should be studying right now but I am uploading pics into my photobucket for this thread. I've been to Rome twice in two diff. years so it's really difficult finding the best pic to upload of a given thing. Edited February 2, 2010 by Veridicus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Normile Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Okay, sorry about derailing your thread, I put "stone" in quotations as somebody referenced it earlier. ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed Normile Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 This rather smallish looking structure is the Basilica of the National Shrine of Mary Queen of the Universe in Orlando Florida. It has daily masses, as well as daily confessions, plus a great gift shop, many works of art as well as a beautiful rosary garden! [img]http://www.maryqueenoftheuniverse.org/images/index/shrineexterior.gif[/img] ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeenanParkerII Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote]I should be studying right now but I am uploading pics into my photobucket for this thread. I've been to Rome twice in two diff. years so it's really difficult finding the best pic to upload of a given thing.[/quote] Sigh, me too. As soon as my sister shows up with coffee I have to run. x.x You're so lucky to have gone to Rome, TWICE! I hear there's a little Catholic shop on top of St.Peter's Basilica. [quote]Okay, sorry about derailing your thread, I put "stone" in quotations as somebody referenced it earlier. ed[/quote] Make no mention of it good sir. That's a beautiful Church. It kind of looks like a Catholic retreat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='Veridicus' date='01 February 2010 - 06:54 PM' timestamp='1265068454' post='2049232'] You did not deserve a -1 for that. You posited an opinion which had an appropriate historical correlation to position against the debatable excesses involved in creating cathedrals. I disagree with you in terms of whether such excesses are okay or not, but it is a legitimate position to hold. [/quote] Bullcrap. Ordinary people spent years building cathedrals, and it was a snotty and baseless thing to say. It is not legitimate as it disregards history and the multitudinous reasons people participated in the building of cathedrals. Tomorrow he'll say something funny and he'll be back where he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeenanParkerII Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote]Bullcrap. Ordinary people spent years building cathedrals, and it was a snotty and baseless thing to say. It is not legitimate as it disregards history and the multitudinous reasons people participated in the building of cathedrals. Tomorrow he'll say something funny and he'll be back where he was.[/quote] WWJD. If you intend to debate, can you please make another thread. Thanks dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 (edited) [quote name='KeenanParkerII' date='01 February 2010 - 06:46 PM' timestamp='1265071569' post='2049267'] I hear there's a little Catholic shop on top of St.Peter's Basilica. [/quote] Yes, when you go up to the cupola there is a shop run by nuns where you can buy rosaries and other religious items. Sts. John & Augustine, Dublin, Ireland (Interior view...the modern banners really 'add something' don' they? ) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_0521.jpg[/IMG] Sant Eustachio, Paris, France (Nice buttresses; Couldn't get a facade shot because of space restriction) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_0793.jpg[/IMG] Notre Dame, Paris, France (facade) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_1104.jpg[/IMG] Notre Dame, Paris, France (Interior; View from behind high altar through the Sancutary and Chior toward the transept and nave in the far distance...had to get up on my tip-toes with my arms stretched as high as I could to get my camera over the ledge behind the altar) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_0925.jpg[/IMG] Notre Dame, Paris, France (Posterolateral view) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_1123.jpg[/IMG] Ely Cathedral, England (Lateral View of the transept...the Facade was difficult to frame in) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_1679.jpg[/IMG] Ely Cathedral, England (Interior view down nave toward sanctuary; stitched shots) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_1689Stitch.jpg[/IMG] Ely Cathedral, England (Lateral view of Facade) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_1713.jpg[/IMG] Edited February 2, 2010 by Veridicus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 York Cathedral, England (Facade; stitched) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_2273.jpg[/IMG] York Cathedral, England (Transept ceiling) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_2227.jpg[/IMG] York Cathedral, England (looking from Transept down nave toward facade doors) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_2248.jpg[/IMG] York Cathedral, England (Rose Window) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_2250.jpg[/IMG] St. Peter's Square, Vatican City (Obelisk) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_2400.jpg[/IMG] St. Peter's Basilica, Vatican City (looking down nave toward Baldacchino) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_2433.jpg[/IMG] Twin Churches at the Piazza Del Popolo, Rome [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_2695.jpg[/IMG] Papa B at a Sunday Audience I attended...just wanted to post it. [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_2744.jpg[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Santa Maria sopra Minerva, Rome (Interior; St. Catherine of Sienna is reposed beneath the Altar) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_2816.jpg[/IMG] Santa Maria sopra Minerva, Rome (Marian Window on facade wall) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_2818.jpg[/IMG] Sant Eustachio, Rome (notice the Jagermeister symbol at the top; Sant Eustachio was converted after witnessing a deer he was hunting turn toward him with a cross above its head and speaking with the words of Christ...or something like that; There is an AWESOME coffe shop sharing the same eponym within a block of this church) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_2861.jpg[/IMG] Santa Maria Trastevere, Rome (art students put on a show here at dusk most nights; I recommend checking it out if you're ever in Rome) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_2882.jpg[/IMG] Basilica of St. John Lateran (built on the site of the first open Christian temple after Constatine's conversion; Bishop of Rome's official church) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_2914.jpg[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeenanParkerII Posted February 2, 2010 Author Share Posted February 2, 2010 lol, I was wondering why there was a deer poking his head over the top of Sant Eustachio.. I'm completely in awe of these pics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='KeenanParkerII' date='01 February 2010 - 07:54 PM' timestamp='1265072071' post='2049276'] WWJD. If you intend to debate, can you please make another thread. Thanks dude. [/quote] I doubt He'd get on the internet and whine about my posts. You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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