Veridicus Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='KeenanParkerII' date='01 February 2010 - 07:19 PM' timestamp='1265073587' post='2049306'] lol, I was wondering why there was a deer poking his head over the top of Sant Eustachio.. I'm completely in awe of these pics. [/quote] There are plenty more en route...I had a better camera for my second trip to Europe (which I haven't started posting from yet) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Basilica of Saint John Lateran, Rome (Interior; Now THAT'S a Tabernacle) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4253.jpg[/IMG] Basilica of Saint John Lateran, Rome (Chair of the Bishop of Rome) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4259.jpg[/IMG] Basilica of Saint John Lateran, Rome (Ceiling above Baldacchino/Altar) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4261.jpg[/IMG] Basilica of Saint John Lateran, Rome (view from behind altar down the nave; notice the large statues of the Apostles surrounding the assembly) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4263.jpg[/IMG] Basilica of Saint John Lateran, Rome (Apostles Compilation) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/ApostlesCompilation1.jpg[/IMG] Basilica of Saint John Lateran, Rome (Apostles Compilation) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/ApostlesCompilation2.jpg[/IMG] Basilica of Saint John Lateran, Rome (Baptistry ceiling) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4305.jpg[/IMG] Trajan's Column (I love how we 'christen' things by strapping crosses and statues of Saints on top of Pagan things; ) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4393STITCH.jpg[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinytherese Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='Ed Normile' date='01 February 2010 - 05:31 PM' timestamp='1265063493' post='2049134'] Calm down now, first off no disrespect taken, this afterall is a place of dialogue. Secondly if you feel God wants us to use our talents this way, I wonder where he directed us to do so? I know he said to care for the sick and poor and to worship God, and to work on our salvation among other things. Third point, where did you leap to the judgement that I feel God hates exterior beauty? , I know God hates nothing. The book Captivating by John Eldredge really has no weight in this discussion, he would not comment much on Our Lady as he is a portestant. His only mention of her in his mission is the statement he believes in the virgin birth. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, to borrow a well used quote, I would assume that is why the Blessed Virgin Mary appears in many likenesses to the ethnicity of those she comes to. As far as scrupulous goes I can agree with that as I try to have sruples and do indeed take care in whatever I do to try and do it right. Now with puritanical, you lost me, does this mean I am too strict, I hope you do not think I am a memebr of the puritans. I posted here at least twice I see no wrong in these cathedrals, I also added I wonder how God sees them. My statement "monuments of men" why would I have to qualify this, it is true on many levels, they are constructed by and of men. They are not following some plan set forth by God, they are however a tradition in the church, I can not condemn them and as such I have not, not here , nor at any other time. I was however asking if the monies used this way would be more pleasing to God if they were used first and foremost for the aid of his creation, especially those most unfortunate. Mother Theresa, a saint by any measure, raised not one spectacular monument to God of brick and mortar, the monuments she raised were of flesh, the discarded , those of ill health, the untouchables, much like Jesus did. ed [/quote] Pax Christi. Sorry for the outburst. When I say "puritanical" I am referring to being overly strict. Puritans were also known for intentionally having plain places of worship on sundays because they thought it evil to decorate and make their churches beautiful. They were also convinced that this was acceptable because that's how it was in the early days of the Church, yet they didn't take into consideration that this was done during a time of great persecution when Christians were martyred. So they very well couldn't make a lovely public church now could they? I beg your pardon, but I don't like how you keep saying how these are "monuments of men." Neither you nor I could go back in time and look within the hearts of the people who built these churches and cathedrals. For all we know, they may not have been trying to be vain at all--wanting names for themselves. Perhaps they simply wanted to honor God because they loved Him. I've heard it said time and time again that people like to use their talents that God gave them and "offer them back up to God." If one is a good architect, builder, artist, etc. building such a lovely place of worship would be honoring. God only asks that we do our best for him and having the most talented people available craft a house of worship for Him is a fine way of honoring Him. Of course God wants us to love one another, yet lets not forget that He asks us to love Him first, so that we may be truly able to love others. Our Lord set the example of love for us all. He asked us to love one another as He has loved us (John 13:34). If we do not love Him, how are we to truly love our neighbor? You also have to keep in mind that what you have brought up is most likely something discussed in a Catholic social thought class at the college level and that how to spend money can be a difficult and a hotly debated issue. It is likely that some of the church scholars on here have studied this topic and would be excellent resources on the issue. I'd suggest that you start a thread on the debate table to discuss whether money could have been better used to help the poor. We'd probably get more people in on this conversation who could substantially add to the conversation. Ave Maria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 A pretty Orthodox Church during choir practice: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwLelOg0Nzk[/media] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcts Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='Veridicus' date='01 February 2010 - 01:34 AM' timestamp='1265006049' post='2048740'] St. John Cantius, Chicago (again, not a Cathedral) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_3664.jpg[/IMG] [/quote] I love that place! I went to their requiem mass on All Souls Day. It was fabulous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcts Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 This is my favorite fancy church. It's not a Cathedral, though, but it sure does take my breath away sometimes. [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/UND_Basilica_of_the_Sacred_Heart_ceiling.jpg[/img] [img]http://kevinhealey.com/media/andreas01/20090504-UniversityNotreDameBasilica200511_CopyrightKaihsuTai.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aalpha1989 Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 Ok, these pictures of Rome are really making me wanna go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 I'll post some more from Rome here over the next few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted February 2, 2010 Share Posted February 2, 2010 [quote name='mcts' date='02 February 2010 - 01:57 AM' timestamp='1265097420' post='2049598'] ... [/quote] Where in Colts country are you if you don't mind my asking? I'm moving up to Indy this coming summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 Here's a bunch of pics of St. Peter's Basilica I took a year and a half ago... Facade from St. Peter's Square [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4413.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4415.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4417.jpg[/IMG] St. Peter's Interior [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4418.jpg[/IMG] JP2 is buried beneath here [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4427.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4435.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4449.jpg[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 More pics from inside St. Peter's Basilica Altar of the Chair [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4475.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4479-1.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4484.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4498.jpg[/IMG] One of my favorite paintings ever... [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4500.jpg[/IMG] Michaelangelo's Pieta [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4527.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4549.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4579.jpg[/IMG] St. Peter's Square Panorama [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4532Smaller.jpg[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 (edited) Selected Pics from the Vatican Museum... Christianity trumps Paganism [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4619.jpg[/IMG] La Disputa (by Raphael)...one of my FAVORITE paintings. [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4624.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4641.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4646.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4652.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4660.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4663.jpg[/IMG] This somewhat incongruous piece of art was added to the Vatican Museum courtyard between Summer 2007 and Summer 2008. I believe it is called "Sphere within Sphere" and it is in no way related to any other piece of art in the entire Museum so far as I can tell. There was also one of these spheres in the courtyard at Trinity College in Dublin. Apparently this kind of art really speaks to people; I don't get how it evokes the Christian spirit. It's polished surface is split open to reveal a dehumanizing mechanical gearwork which grinds and seems to collapse upon itself. It certainly doesnt draw my mind's eye to the pre-eminence of humanity in creation nor the glory of the Incarnation nor the splendor of the Triune God...it kinda reminds me of decay in all honesty. Brutal nihilistic decay...the shiny outer plating giving way to mechanical underbits destined for dust and nothing else. That's just me tho. [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4671.jpg[/IMG] Edited February 5, 2010 by Veridicus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veridicus Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 St. Agnes in Agony facade [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4686.jpg[/IMG] Pantheon (St. Mary & the Martyrs) [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4690.jpg[/IMG] Pantheon Dome Interior [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4703.jpg[/IMG] Pantheon Interior altar [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4698.jpg[/IMG] Santa Maria sopra Minerva, this picture was absolutely glowing. The Sacred Heart almost looked like it was on fire. It was nuts and the picture actually did a decen job of capturing its splendor. [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4708.jpg[/IMG] Santa Maria sopra Minerva, central altar [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4711.jpg[/IMG] Santa Maria sopra Minerva, St. Catherine of Sienna is interred under the altar [IMG]http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss172/Veridicus21/IMG_4713.jpg[/IMG] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeenanParkerII Posted February 5, 2010 Author Share Posted February 5, 2010 Woo, thanks for the heads up Veridicus. These pics are astounding, and I know just how little pictures capture the true grandeur of a place. Though I don't like that transformers sphere thing... *burns* It's kind of sad to see tourists and not pilgrims, but some of them must be pilgrims right? If I were there I'd want to attend mass and pray as much as possible while there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piccoli Fiori JMJ Posted February 5, 2010 Share Posted February 5, 2010 [quote name='Veridicus' date='04 February 2010 - 09:21 PM' timestamp='1265336470' post='2051407'] This somewhat incongruous piece of art was added to the Vatican Museum courtyard between Summer 2007 and Summer 2008. I believe it is called "Sphere within Sphere" and it is in no way related to any other piece of art in the entire Museum so far as I can tell. There was also one of these spheres in the courtyard at Trinity College in Dublin. Apparently this kind of art really speaks to people; I don't get how it evokes the Christian spirit. It's polished surface is split open to reveal a dehumanizing mechanical gearwork which grinds and seems to collapse upon itself. It certainly doesnt draw my mind's eye to the pre-eminence of humanity in creation nor the glory of the Incarnation nor the splendor of the Triune God...it kinda reminds me of decay in all honesty. Brutal nihilistic decay...the shiny outer plating giving way to mechanical underbits destined for dust and nothing else. That's just me tho. [/quote] When I was there, they told us that the sphere was the same size as the sphere on top of the dome of St. Peter's as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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