Angry Parish Erupts At Bishop

[Resurrexi]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='10 February 2010 - 06:21 PM' timestamp='1265844073' post='2054944']
Let's put a big red hammer and sickle on the doors to the sanctuary.

The red for the Blood of Christ by which we are redeemed; the sickle for the harvest of the wheat in which we find our Salvation; the hammer for the fact that Jesus, as Divine Carpenter, built the New Covenant.

Who cares what else people associate it with.
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Nice one!

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='10 February 2010 - 04:20 PM' timestamp='1265844050' post='2054943']
Rainbow is not a liturgical color in the Roman Rite.

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I agree. Actually, rainbow vestments show a complete disregard for the use of color in the liturgical tradition of the Roman Rite, and the same is true in the Byzantine Rite.

[Veridicus]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 February 2010 - 05:23 PM' timestamp='1265844215' post='2054948']
I agree. Actually, [s]rainbow vestments[/s][insert vapid modern innovation] show a complete disregard for the [s]use of color in the [/s]liturgical tradition of the Roman Rite, and the same is true in the Byzantine Rite.
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There. Fixed it.

Edited February 10, 2010 by Veridicus

[Nihil Obstat]

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='10 February 2010 - 05:13 PM' timestamp='1265843621' post='2054934']
So obviously we are going to let the world decide what should represent what.

Obviously, we are thinking too much about what society thinks and not what He thinks.
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Right now rainbows represent the gay pride movement. That's all there is to it.

[Skinzo]

[quote name='ThePenciledOne' date='10 February 2010 - 07:15 PM' timestamp='1265843736' post='2054937']
Than does it matter if the people are "bothered" by it?

I think, not.
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Pastoral decisions sometimes require taking parishioners' feelings into account. In this case I think the bishop's decision was disastrous. Sure, bishops may freely choose to heap scorn on the feelings of their flock. That's one of the reasons we have Lefebvrites.

S.

[Vincent Vega]

[quote name='Resurrexi' date='10 February 2010 - 06:22 PM' timestamp='1265844138' post='2054946']


Nice one!
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I hope they don't do it in a predominantly Polish parish, though. You'd be liable to have an onslaught of heart attacks in your 60+ age bracket.

[Marie-Therese]

[quote name='USAirwaysIHS' date='10 February 2010 - 06:21 PM' timestamp='1265844073' post='2054944']
Let's put a big red hammer and sickle on the doors to the sanctuary.

The red for the Blood of Christ by which we are redeemed; the sickle for the harvest of the wheat in which we find our Salvation; the hammer for the fact that Jesus, as Divine Carpenter, built the New Covenant.

Who cares what else people associate it with.
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+1 and well played, sir.

Apo and Rex...exactly what I was going to say. The rainbow might be in the Bible but it has exactly zero connection to any liturgical practice. I know some priests are all about individuality, but they are supposed to be in persona Christi, and to me that means some semblance of liturgical adherence. Are they permissible? Perhaps. As the saying goes, what is permissible is not always what is advisable.

Elaborating on the whole rainbow thing...what exactly does that vestment choice say? "Today, parishioners, we are going to celebrate the fact that the Lord will not condemn us to die in a giant flood. Hurray!" Not to sound flippant, because I know that the rainbow was a covenant from the Almighty...but it was a covenant NOT TO KILL US IN A FLOOD. I am not sure that there is anything there which warrants a liturgical vestment. If their use of a rainbow color scheme means anything other than a reference to the Biblical text, then there are serious problems about their orthodoxy. If they ARE using it in a reference to the Biblical text, then there are some serious problems about their common sense.

IMHO.

ETA: If I am understanding the video correctly, it was not only the replacement of their beloved priest, but also it seems the absorption of their parish into another that was at question. I understand their arguments but agree that to have this bitter exchange in front of Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament was a poor decision. The Bishop, however his decisions were perceived, should have been shown more respect as his office warrants. I am sure that Jesus reposed in the Tabernacle was not pleased.

Edited February 10, 2010 by Marie-Therese

[HisChildForever]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='10 February 2010 - 06:30 PM' timestamp='1265844625' post='2054951']
Right now rainbows represent the gay pride movement. That's all there is to it.
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This.

Although, they could represent some New Age religion too.

[Veridicus]

Rainbow is so hip.
[img]http://centralpennsylvaniaorthodox.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/funnykate.jpg[/img]



I wonder if the wider use of rainbow vestments will be emphasized in the Ecumenical Catechism.

Edited February 11, 2010 by Veridicus

[Skinzo]

Let's not forget this symbol found on the floor of the 13th century cathedral of Amiens. Any reason why it can't be on a vestment?

[IMG]http://i1019.photobucket.com/albums/af311/Cetil/amiens-pavement-swastika1241220066.jpg[/IMG]

S.

[Slappo]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='10 February 2010 - 03:23 PM' timestamp='1265844215' post='2054948']
I agree. Actually, rainbow vestments show a complete disregard for the use of color in the liturgical tradition of the [s]Roman[/s][b]Latin Rite[/b], and the same is true in the Byzantine Rite.
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I don't know of a Roman Rite

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Slappo' date='10 February 2010 - 05:49 PM' timestamp='1265849392' post='2054986']
I don't know of a Roman Rite
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New Advent Catholic Encyclopedia article on "[url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13155a.htm"]The Roman Rite[/url]."

[Apotheoun]

A simplified diagram showing the relationships between the major liturgical rites:

[img]http://sites.google.com/site/thetaboriclight/metamorphosis/liturgical_diagram.jpg[/img]

[Vincent Vega]

I'd like to learn more of the Celtic Church. I'd never heard of that before.

[ThePenciledOne]

[quote name='Nihil Obstat' date='10 February 2010 - 07:30 PM' timestamp='1265844625' post='2054951']
Right now rainbows represent the gay pride movement. That's all there is to it.
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Oh sure ok then.


Now, I understand the liturgical color argument, which is fine.

The side note is the fact that does rainbow really HAVE to mean gay rights?

As to the eariler communist reference, there is a difference between colors and symbols and rainbow is a pattern or group of colors togeather, while the communist symbol is group of objects put together so the two mediums are quite different so the analogy is actually invalid.

Anyway, this explains my opinion on this side note: [url="http://thepenciledone.wordpress.com/2009/10/14/when-even-rainbows-are-chained/"]When Even Rainbows Are Chained[/url]

Another reason I take a bit of offense to this is that my Mother knitted me a beautiful scarf with rainbow yarn and I hear the joke too much. Would think better of the phatmassers here not to get hung up on the worldly connotation, but then we are human.

Edited February 11, 2010 by ThePenciledOne